Want to Wear Your Gun Out in Public Like a Deadly Fashion Accessory? Fla. Senate is Considering It

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Senator Greg Evers apparently think Floridians should have the option of completing their everyday outfits with the ultimate in NRA chic: an openly displayed handgun strapped to the hip. Currently Floridians with proper permits are allowed to carry concealed weapons, but have not been able to carry their gun openly in Florida in decades. Evers' proposed bill would change that, even though politicians across the country are considering tougher gun laws in the wake of the tragedy in Arizona.

Evers, a Republican (naturally) of Crestview, Florida, tells The Palm Beach Post that he hopes to protect gun owners who carry concealed weapons from his list of ridiculous circumstances in which a concealed weapons becomes visible and the owner may be cited by police.
"A gust of wind makes a suit coat flap open and the person is in trouble," Evers said. Or an air conditioner breaks, and a person removes a jacket and exposes a firearm.

He said the purpose of his bill is to end such instances, and he expects most licensed gun carriers will continue to conceal their weapons.
Or maybe the neighbor's wacky dog comes up and tears off your robe while you're getting the morning paper and accidentally exposes your morning gun to the neighborhood.

Or possibly you meet the Queen of England after a rainstorm, and she's crossing the street, and you take off your trench coat to lay it over a puddle, but whoops, there's your gun.

Or you're a new mother and your baby is hungry and you want to breast feed but you cant do so with out inadvertently flashing the pistol you keep tucked in your bra.

See, none of those instance are ridiculous, and they are clearly important matters the state Senate needs to ponder.

Detractors say that displaying hand guns so openly could lead to criminals snatching those guns.

Evers's bill would also allow permitted individuals to openly carry firearms on public college campuses.

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Johnny
Johnny

Or a clueless reporter is writing a pointless column by going way off topic by crazy examples because he does not understand the rights of the people and I reach over to the shelf to hand him a copy of US constotuision and I accidentally expose my 9mm... And here we go again...

It is about time for open carry in Florida. Go Florida...

Jay
Jay

It is interesting that the mocking attitude of this article failed to mention that open carry is allowed in some form or another in 43 states currently.

NavarreP
NavarreP

Those of you who say "people" would be intimidated seeing someone carry a gun openly are missing a big aspect of intimidation. Profiling. Whether you like to believe it or not, everyone profiles. A well put-together man/woman wearing business attire and openly carrying a pistol will not intimidate the general public. A very large man, wearing old clothes and a hoody will intimidate many people even if he's unarmed.

While I wouldn't generally wear a weapon openly (any criminal with half a brain would eliminate the biggest threat first, ie - the guy with the gun) but I like the option. Any time I have to tuck in my shirt, I have to either keep my jacket on or lose my gun. I don't care for either option. Give me the option, send me to extra training if you want, but I want an open carry option in Florida.

Samuraiwarrior
Samuraiwarrior

I wouldn't support the open display of a firearm but would support decriminalizing the accidental display of a firearm (gust of wind, shirt riding up, or similar). I have a CCW permit but would not feel comfortable seeing others openly flouting their guns in public -- the law of unintended consequences comes to mind. The law is fine the way it is with the exception of over-reacting to an accidental display.

Myweaponspermit
Myweaponspermit

In my experience as a police officer and tactically trained SWAT officer, I disagree with "open carry".

Most police officers shot in the line of duty are shot with their own guns even though they get special "weapon retention" training and are issued the latest in expensive and high-tech retention holsters. There are prison surveillance videos of inmates training each other and practicing disarming police officers.

The average citizen - even one who has gone through a concealed weapons class - will not be able to defeat this kind of attack.

Open carry will not prevent an attack in and off itself. Police officers are attacked and battered all the time when in uniform and while wearing a firearm and other weapons on their duty belts.

That being said, concealed weapon permit holders should be able to carry anywhere they want - bars, schools, police stations, polling stations, school board meetings, and at work.

One last thing...

As a former homicide detective and SWAT team leader I have studied and trained for these types of "active shooter" incidents.

Banning high-capacity magazines will do noting to stop these types of incidents. Most active shooters will simply bring more than one gun.

There is a well know saying in the shooting world, "The fastest reload is another gun." The shooters at Columbine, the shooter at the CA McDonald's and at Virginia Tech, and a few other all had more than one gun.

Banning high capacity magazines will do NOTHING but prevent law abiding citizens who have concealed weapons permits from fighting on a level playing field.

People that know nothing about guns, crime, and life in the real world should not be passing laws that will get more innocent people killed.

This is not 1950s Mayberry USA anymore.

Philmiami
Philmiami

I want OPEN carry. I may or may not decide to carry my weapon on the outside. Now I have to conceal it. And for the other posts on this, I guess you don't read the Florida Statues on the "Stand Your Ground" law, where I could shoot someone, kill them, and then say "I was threaten with great bodily harm", and WALK AWAY. Not arrested, nothing. Then it's up to the police to go to the State Attorney and see if they can arrest me and charge me. I can do this now with a concealed weapon. So showing it has no effect on it or me or others in general.

nansea
nansea

They will end up with a very courtious and friendly society.

Benjamin Knapic
Benjamin Knapic

People equate guns with criminals because because those are the only people they even see with guns (on tv, the news, etc.). I think open carry shows people that guns aren't just used by bad guys to hurt innocent people. Maybe if people open carried more often folks wouldn't be so skittish when they see a gun. And have you ever seen a robber out walking down the street openly displaying his firearm before he robs a place or murders someone?

6screws1skull
6screws1skull

This report is so biased it's funny. The analogies used look more like excerpts from a novel. Reality and common sense should be the focal point.

amstel
amstel

What the heck is happening to our country? Why are we allowing gun rights extremists to turn us back to the Wild West of the 1800s?

pd guest
pd guest

Seems to me that the better solution would be to modify the current law to prevent otherwise compliant persons from being hit with a criminal action for purely inadvertent exposures of their legally carried firearms...a jacket that ruffles in the wind should not get an otherwise law abiding person in trouble, but complete and total open-carry is probably not something we want in public places.

Guest
Guest

Say what you want, if a psycho opened fire near me or my loved ones, I'd want to have my gun handy.

Rich7553
Rich7553

As I said in another comments section, the assault of open carriers in other states where it is permitted does not appear to be a problem. If it were, other states would have curtailed the practice or it would have made headlines thanks to the Brady group. Neither have happened.

Rich7553
Rich7553

Not quite. Please see my explanation above in response to the Nevernot scenario.

Philmiami
Philmiami

Your a idiot. A VICTIM waiting to be robbed,shot or raped.Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.You probably are a green card holder from Cuba who doesn't have any perception of total freedom from government

Lyle
Lyle

"What the heck is happening to our country?"It's a little old thing called civil rights, amstel. You might also want to check out some statistics from the 1800s before you use the Wild West as an example. Then you'll want to check out how many states have open carry already, with no problems other than a lowering violent crime rate.

I imagine quite a few KKK types griping too, in the 1960s; "What the heck is happening to our country" as colleges were becoming integrated, black people could sit anywhere on the bus, and people of different races were openly dating each other. You, amstel, with your silliness, remind me of the KKK of a generation ago. It's because of bigoted attitudes like yours, amstel, that certain rights need constitutional protection.

Rich7553
Rich7553

You Brady types really need to come up with new material. The "wild west" scenario was in vogue back in 1987 when shall-issue concealed carry was going to be responsible for "blood in the streets" (another classic) and "shootouts over parking spaces"! Face it, none of the doom and gloom stuff happened then, and it won't happen now. Oh, and here's a clue for you...the wild west really wasn't very wild. Your skewed perception is from TV and movies.

Robb Allen
Robb Allen

Something you may not want, but that doesn't necessarily extend to the rest of the populace. While at the open carry events, most people either don't notice or simply give a look and walk by.

I guess gun owners should be ashamed of what they are and just sit at the back of the bus / stay in the closet?

Rich7553
Rich7553

Perhaps, but have you ever tried to argue intent with law enforcement? You may avoid prosecution, but chances are you'll be arrested and your gun taken. But before you condemn open carry, why not research how it works in Georgia or Arizona? It's actually pretty rare, but when it's done, it draws little to no attention from the citizens.

nevernot
nevernot

And having it out in the open intimidating every single person you come in contact with while waiting for that once in a lifetime at best situation will help you how? Get a concealed weapon permit and keep your cowardice concealed.

According to Florida law all I need is to be intimidated by you and announce "I feel threatened by you" to witnesses and I'm legally allowed to open fire on you. By carrying your weapon openly will it escalate or lessen intimidation and potential violence? Will that make you more or less secure? Is your family better served by you openly intimidating everyone around you?

Imageloading
Imageloading

I think that is true with most people, but what does that have to do with open gun laws? Get the proper permit and carry your gun under the current law.

Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez

Rich, after 23 years of constantly making wrong predictions, it is kind of hard for them to change the tune. That any news organization still use Brady, VPC and the likes as sources is pitiful.

Deadcenter56
Deadcenter56

First off "Bearing" arms is a RIGHT. I don't ask permission to exercise a RIGHT. Or perhaps you applied to the massa for a permission slip to type on your keyboard this morning?!? Or applied for permission to visit your local religious establishment?

Second, 'well regulated' means to be well trained, not hassled over HOW I bear my arms, other than I do it in a manner that does not violate the safety of my fellows or their property.

You feel threatened by my open carry? Bite me. I feel threatened by your ignorance and sanctimonious attitude towards my RIGHTS and I will NOT sit quietly in the back of the bus anymore.

Homepcmd
Homepcmd

so you are intimated by cops in the community. When my daughter graduated high school... the ceremony was at UM. There was a plainclothes cop with a gun and a badge. Nobody reacted with fear or intimidation. Would you?

Robb Allen
Robb Allen

Not too long ago, some people were uncomfortable seeing people with different skin color showing affection in public. Luckily, logic prevailed and we realized that a minority's discomfort was not a solid basis for making laws.

As someone who hosts Open Carry events, I assure you that the discomfort you assume the populace shares with you does not exist. Cops openly carry firearms and people do not freak out. Detectives openly carry firearms, and rarely can you tell they're police officers for they don't wear their badges openly, and people do not freak out. In the 43 other states that allow open carry, people do not freak out.

But, just like the bigotry of old, those who have a distinct distaste for something will assume everyone else shares their prejudices and demand the laws protect their delicate sensibilities.

Rich7553
Rich7553

Glad you don't have a gun, cause you sure don't have a clue. You cannot just open fire because you are intimidated. And if you become intimidated by a holstered firearm, then I suppose you have a problem with law enforcement too!

Rich7553
Rich7553

Shut up and be satisfied? No thanks.

nevernot
nevernot

I never for one second doubted your right to bear arms, I question the method in which it's done. The same people who typically insist on exposing their weapons for the express point of intimidation are at issue here. Based on the juvenille content of your post you'll have to excuse me for not taking your interpretation of constitutional law, I some how doubt you hold an advanced degree in the subject. Since you don't seem to be able to discuss a matter without reverting to name calling and racially based insults like "massa" and invoking the phrase "back of the bus" I will immediately disregard your post as the ramblings of either a child or a man with the intellect of a child. Good day sir.

nevernot
nevernot

I'm not sure what to say, you somehow managed to equate open carry with the civil rights struggle the day after MLK jr day, a man who was gunned down. You sir, have no tact. And by the way, just because people don't openly voice their discomfort over the police openly carrying, I assure you there are plenty of people that are intimidated and with good reason. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2...

Rich7553
Rich7553

Philmiami: I do understand what you're saying and I do understand the "Stand Your Ground" law. However, in the context of what Nevernot stated, one cannot merely claim intimidation, make a statement about a threat to witnesses, and then be covered under statute.

"In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Merely being intimidated is not sufficient. An immediate and credible threat must exist. If the mere presence of a holstered firearm was sufficient, then every shooting of an armed police officer would be authorized under the provision. All one would have to do is claim intimidation of the officer's firearm. That is simply not the case.

Like so many anti-gun people, Nevernot has utilized a defense mechanism called "rationalization". He has attempted to interpret the law in such a way as to support his extreme position.

Philmiami
Philmiami

You don't understand the Florida Statue of Stand You Ground law.Nevernot was "kinda" correct in what he posted.

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