Jet Ski Thief Killed By 14-Year-Old With Shotgun

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"Not with MY personal watercraft! No sir!"
Until Saturday, the recent killing-people-for-stupid-reasons fad was confined to adults -- a barber shooting another barber who disrespected him, say, or a man whacking his neighbor over a parking space. Then a 14-year-old shotgunned a Jet Ski thief in the head.

Twenty-year-old Reynaldo Muñoz rode his own wave runner to the juvenile's waterfront home on North Bayshore Avenue with plans of riding off on the family's wave runner, according to The Miami Herald. Instead, the kid discovered Muñoz and turned him into what must have been a very unfortunate-looking corpse.

It's not clear how Muñoz planned to ride two wave runners back to the marina where his girlfriend was waiting with the getaway trailer, but the 14-year-old who killed him could be in hot water: The Miami Herald is reporting that the burglar was deaf and could not speak, which casts some doubt on the family's original story to police.

They said Muñoz "indicated he was armed and planned to harm them", according to the Herald, but it's not clear how he would have had time to mime out the whole threat before he was shot in the head.

Police are now investigating whether the killing was justifiable in accordance with the state's "castle doctrine," which allows killing someone who has illegally entered a home. But this controversial law doesn't apply to yards in Florida, though it does apply to tents and attached porches.

Unable to use the Florida castle doctrine, the defendant likely will argue self defense, according to Miami criminal defense lawyer Benjamin Waxman, who is not affiliated with the case.

"The question is whether the intruder or the perpetrator reasonably appeared to be offering deadly force, which means threatening with a gun or a knife" or some other weapon, Waxman said. "And it sounds like that probably was not the case."

To review:

  • Killing a guy who breaks into your house: OK.
  • Killing a guy who is sneaking off with something you don't want him to sneak off with: Not OK.

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Pbagentluie
Pbagentluie

 Sad thing is I knew him, and yes this is very sad because he was deaf. I grow up with the 20 year old who got shot, and even though this late in the topic, how would you feel if it was your son, and he was just finding out what he is in life, and learning from experience... Not so hot shit now huh... Yes, steeling is wrong, killing someone without warning, or shooting them in the head, if a threat has not been made on your life, Wrong. Think about that next time you read this kind of article.

Cwadep3
Cwadep3

All you people dawging the kid in this situation and callin rednecks dumbasses, are dumbasses yourselves. Im 14. Im a country boy WITH common since. someone happends to break into my house or trys to steal my property, damn right ill shoot. KILLING someone is a last resort and it happens. The kid did the only thing he could

Indiolindo01
Indiolindo01

For the people who are in the defense of the burglar.

Reply with your full home address and letwhoever see’s it (burglar) come to your house to burglaries you, and then replyback to let everybody else know the outcome, that is if you make it. Point hereis, to judge somebody’s measures is not possible without stepping in their shoes.First, the family had a similar matter occur; in 2009 YasminDavis (mother of the shooter) was attacked by three armed gunmen in herdriveway. Second, having said that, knowing the original outcome of the event,what would you (criminal defendant) say if the criminal got a hold of the boybefore the boy had a chance to obtain the gun and killed the boy? How can youdefend someone who could possibly one day do the same to you, and maybe evenrealize that bringing a gun to his/her next crime would be a good idea? Have empathyfor the Davis family.

Guest
Guest

what part of THIEF do you idiots not understand.

Good for the girl. Someone buy her a HIT-Girl T-shirt....

Kuei
Kuei

Kudos to the 14 year old kid! And, where were the cops? Oh yeah! They are busy arresting victims. Cops are disgusting!

bluechip
bluechip

No matter what anyone says, the penalty for stealing a waverunner IS NOT DEATH!!

llewp
llewp

If I was 14 years old and I saw my $2000 jet ski being robbed, I would have taken my cell phone out, called the cops and let that be the end of it. And if I felt threatened and thought it was a live or death situation I would've aimed the gun lower, maybe at the leg, not kill the guy. And they can't say he was threatening them afterall the man was deaf. I wonder what the hell type of parents would raise their children that way??... Oh yeah you rednecks that reproduce with your cousins and can't even spell. Ha what an embarrasment to America.

Rick Galvez
Rick Galvez

THE 8th COMMANDMENTExodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. I can only wonder at the impossibility of understanding such a simple commandment by some people who do not want to understand it.  I shall pray to God to find an easier way to make some people understand such a simple concept, hoping they do not lose their life in the process - as the law gives you every right to defend your property and your home.  Now the person who is really going to pay for this is the girlfriend. 

matt gordon
matt gordon

14 yr old Jack Davis couldn't have felt too threatened to exit a secure dwelling, walk towards the dock out back and shoot the suspected thief in the *back* of the head. The kid's mother was home also, so have to wonder what on earth she was thinking to tell or let Dirty Harry Junior go forth to detain or execute the trespasser? Why not call 911, Miami Shores PD has an average response time under three minutes. Wonder if the Davis's sophisticated video cctv system recorded any of the event?

mercenary76
mercenary76

This should be a use of the D.S.a.F finding by the court . Did Society a Favor . Also saved the state some money . Good riddance to bad rubbish .

2 wrongs dont make it right
2 wrongs dont make it right

Its wrong to shoot someone over a jet ski- let the kid pay for his crime as well.  $1.00 fine for taking the law into his (young) own hands.  Then give him a "kid of the year" honor for standing up to these morons that steal.  GREAT SHOT Kid!

Mannyalvarez
Mannyalvarez

oh the stupidity! the reason this kid shot and killed the thief is perfectly exemplified by so many of the utterly clueless comments of those who think it was a good thing. barely human stupid un-self-aware morons who lack empathetic imagination.  in fact they are worse than the kid - he at least is young and probably raised on a steady diet of violent video games and his family was victimized not too long ago by armed thugs in their home. those providing supporting commentary in here (presumably adults) are feeding and expressing their irrational and obtuse anger from a safe place in cold blood. you should be ashamed of yourself if you feel anything but sorrow for this tragedy that has occurred to both families. this ugliness of soul should not be allowed to parade about in the daylight. like roaches, it should be relegated to the darkness that is inside each of us and only there find an escape and safe harbor from scorn and ridicule.

Razor Ledj
Razor Ledj

Stop protecting criminals more than citizens.  The guy was a thief and a scumbag and deserved to die.

Jim Strathmeyer
Jim Strathmeyer

"Killing a guy who is sneaking off with something you don't want him to sneak off with: Not OK."Wow, how do you guys plan on holding on to all your stuff???

Ok, we get, it, criminals hate it when people defend themselves. Do all the people of Miami associate with criminals?

Mhaley
Mhaley

The fear of getting shot is such a better deterrent than the fear of getting arrested for 4 hours and released. Yey kid!..... and a head shot too. 20 points.

I'd be deaf, too
I'd be deaf, too

Of course he was deaf. He took a shotgun blast to the head.Me? Never been shot in the head by a shotgun... but then again, I haven't tried to STEAL someone else's property. Could there be a link??!!

Pagan1
Pagan1

How do you know that Munoz wasjn't the kids dealer and came to collect. Why would someone show up to steal a Wave Runner with another one?.

Pissedatthebs
Pissedatthebs

when did everyone become such pussies.  I have no sympathy for what happened to the criminal if he didn't want to end up dead he should have stayed in school or got a job.  As for all of you idiots saying the boy should have shot in the leg i wonder what you would do if you were 14 and a grown adult was on your property trying to jack your ride.  Any firearms course will tell you you only aim a gun at something you wish to kill, not aim for the legs because its more politically correct.  I love how the people on here who take the boys side are labeled "rednecks" because they are advocates for gun rights.  This country was founded on guns and the right to protect yourself and your property.  You think Thomas Jefferson or George Washington would have any sympathy for this criminal.

Dick Black
Dick Black

 I don't think the "punishment" fit the crime here.  If ANYONE forces their way into your home, I believe there is ample reason to use deadly force.  But to actually kill someone for stealing your jet ski is "overkill".

Herp
Herp

You all suck dick

f b
f b

This is not the wildwest. even the bible (which is probably the most stringent law code ever written) says an eye for an eye... not an eye for a life. Unfortunately the kid wont face enough jail time if any, but I hope his family goes bankrupt fighting this in court. A shotgun blast to the gut would've probably killed the guy anyway, but the kid was clearly aiming for a kill shot.

FlyoverMike
FlyoverMike

Where in the article does it state that this was just a property crime?  From the article: They said Muñoz "indicated he was armed and planned to harm them".  I get the impressioon that it is still under investigation.  While you may be correct about the points of law, it is still up in the air as to whether or not it was a forcible felony.  Another quote, "Police are now investigating whether the killing was justifiable."  Seems you are jumping to conclusions that are not warranted by a careful reading of the text.

Bill
Bill

Good.  One less thieving mexican to worry about later on.

Concerned
Concerned

Florida law CLEARLY STATEs that deadly force is not authorized to defend against property crimes (which this was).  This was NOT a forcible felony.  Hate it all you want, law enforcement is correct in prosecuting the 14 year old.

Lemontmetoyer
Lemontmetoyer

Bullshit!  The boy may be in trouble, incredible. Crime should not pay. The boy did the right thing. I'm irritated the thief put him in that position. Screw anyone that would try and make him feel any worse about it! 

Denaligt
Denaligt

Fuck that lil kid he should get 50 life sentences for stupid that he is.... Thats what happen when u let tgis stupid kids play CALL DUTY they think taking lifes is a fucking game i knew thay deaf kid and he was deaf 4 real... But he was a good kid and over a jet ski u dont hav too kill nobody... Why didnt he shoot him in the legs or something.... I think that lil stupid kid knew what he was doing...

ANTI
ANTI

i really dont want  to get into the whose to blame argument here, altho i do have my opinions, heres a more interesting opinion noone seemed to think of, WHY THE FUCK DID a 14 YEAR OLD HAVE SUCH IMMEADIATE ACCESS TO A SHOTGUN???? regardless of who was right and who was wrong, i think its obvious a 14 year old does not know how to get the shotgun, load the shotgun, and discharge it with such ease. i mean perhaps it was already loaded and read to go, all he had to do is point and click, if thats the case why the fuck wasnt it locked up? kids at that age should not have access to even a handgun, let alone a shotgun. if you ask me, thats whats fucking retarded. i wont argue if it was right or wrong for the kid to shoot the guy, but i will say the kid should not go to jail, the parents should, because im pretty fucking sure if the kid believed killing the man was the right thing to do, the parents taught him, and the parents allowed the child to have easy access to the gun. so fuck it, the criminal is dead, the kid is probably fucked up now, put the parents in jail for it.

67toshi
67toshi

 " he was just finding out what he is in life....."  Um, what, a f*****g THIEF?!

"..... and learning from experience"  Some of life's lessons are harsh.

No sympathy from THIS victim of theft.

Kuei
Kuei

 Let's put into perspective the fact that this kid's family, or the kid himself, worked many hard hours to provide something nice for their family, only to have some jackass who knows nothing about hard work and it's benefits come along and take it without any respect for anyone else. If he had merely been caught by disgusting cops, an unlikely event, he MIGHT have done SOME jail time only to be released and do it again. So, yes, the penalty for stealing a wave runner should be death. Now, If he was stealing some food for his survival, I could surely sympathize with your logic. However, a wave runner is not a source of nutrition. I once had some jackass steal my car. The end result was that I lost my job because I was unable to make the 30 mile trip to work and had my insurance premiums shoot up. Do you think the thief gave a shit about my circumstance?

Mannyalvarez
Mannyalvarez

moron, if all thieves and scumbags were executed, who would run the government and the multinational corporations?

ANTI
ANTI

i love how everyone is posting how the guy was a scumbag criminal and deserved it, im not a fan of the bible or anything, but i think that a perfec tverse from it sums up my thoughts, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone". Im willing to bet that everybody on here talking about how bad the criminal is, IS NOT an angel themselves, but hey if youve actually gone thru your entire life, and have never done ANYTHING wrong, or broke ANY law, feel free to talk shit about the criminal. (and not getting caught doesnt mean you didnt break it, also just because the law isnt enforced doesnt mean you didnt break it, so that means any of you who have even had sex without being married, which is pre-maritial sex finable by a $250 dollar fine, has broken the law before or anybody has been speeding while driveing) otherwise maybe you should think about how you would feel if lets see while having sex with a girl (or guy) when you were 16 and losing your virginity, what if his/her dad walked in and shot you in the face with his shotgun? in essence hes protecting his property(which is his family) but im sure now all since its a debate going on you will all claim to be perfect citizens who all waited till marriage to have sex, never speed, and never stole anything, or tresspassed when you were a teen. yea, cant wait to see these responses

"Booyah" <-- grow up
"Booyah" <-- grow up

George Washington didn't use his right of free speech to defeat the British, he shot them. 

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

 Point of fact:  The guy the murderer assassinated would only be a criminal if he were arrested, charged, tried, and found guilty.  The only criminal here is the murderer who took  a deaf guy's life.  You'll see how the justice system works, and likely whine about it later.

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

 Careful, posters.  I think sucking on them things is illegal down there, and may be considered a threat to the inbred life of a redneck, which may justify all of ya getting your heads blown off!  Booyah!

Concerned
Concerned

Here is the other issue.... Florida Law allows you to protect yourself if you fear for your life.  Well I am pretty darn sure that the 14 year old did not have a shot gun on his person just hanging out in the yard when he was "threatened" by the guy.  The kid responded from inside the house, where there was no threat from this guy, responded outside to the theft with a firearm, in and of itself, illegal.  Once he went inside the house to get the firearm, there is no longer a threat.  He then went after the suspect.  You can not go after the suspect in Florida with a firearm.  You can only defend yourself if attacked. 

Concerned
Concerned

The article said the 14 year old boy claims that the perpetrator indicated he was armed and planned to harm them.  Well how is that when the deaf man could not speak and had no weapon.  Typical of a 14 year old that does not want to get in trouble, so he tells a story to get out of getting in trouble.

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

 And one less person who thinks murder is an answer to worry about as well.  How's that eye-for-an-eye thing working out for ya now, Bubba?

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

 The kid is a murderer.  Feel bad about it?  His cellmate, Bubba, will be making his little crapperhole feel bad about it for the next ten years or so. 

Elfevilkitty
Elfevilkitty

If he was such a "Good Kid" why was he attempting to take the jet ski? That isn't a good kid.

lala
lala

I think that dumb ass thief knew what he was doing to. Hmmm 22 yr old man vs 14 yr old boy.

You Are A Douche-Nozzle
You Are A Douche-Nozzle

Umm.  I was shooting shotguns at age nine.  It's really easy.  What kind of fucktard are you?

ANTI
ANTI

and in a bit of a twist RAZOR, i just looked at your twitter, and its funny how the first post i see is this" what country tortures, detains people without trail, has rotting cities, high unemployment, and severe politcal corruption? USA USA USA" which now means your a hypocrite, because you just said the criminal was a scumbag who deserved to die, however i dont believe he ever got the chance to see a trial to find him guilty, not to mention you acknowledge a high unemployment rate in the USA, yet a guy who could possibly have been a target of that, who could have been stealing a jetski to sell and feed a family, is now a scumbag and deserved to die, wow...hyporcite much?

Ticked
Ticked

Yeah, and you a fucking dipshit.

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

Taking a lousy piece of equipment is a hell of a lot less criminal and heinous than blowing the back of the head off someone doing it.  People steal sometimes.  Desperation is a sad thing.  Murder, however, is NOT what any "good" person does unless he's stationed and under orders of the Commander in Chief.  Kid's a throwaway now.  Booyah.

MagnanaMouse
MagnanaMouse

 I would gander he's one raised by parents who are less pieces of crap than yours. 

ANTI
ANTI

exactly my point, means your fucking parents were fucking worthless, KIDS SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS, and im the fucktard? sounds to me like your some fucking hick ass faggot bitch whos dad probably left at birth, and mom did crack because she was a worthless slut, so you had to learn to shoot a gun at 9, either that or you are a redneck ass sheep fucker whos daddy didnt know what to do with cause when he fucked the sheep a kid didnt pop out. so shove it out your ass you worthless piece of shit, kids should not have access or the knowledgeto use guns for fucking reasons like this.whos a fucktard now you fucking anal assasin

Ticked
Ticked

Completely agree Aupey, And I've about had it with people like MagnanaMouse who are nothing but apologists for the trash in our communities.

Aupey
Aupey

A 22 year-old adult stealing two jet skis so his girlfriend and him could have something to play with isn't exactly someone I'd want around. I think the 14 year-old did us a favor. It's not like it was a kid stealing something small from a convenience store and if the kid had confronted the man it could've turned out worse.  Booyah.

ANTI
ANTI

any parent who lets there 9 year old have access and knowledge to use a gun are irresponsible pieces of trash. Kids may or may not be mature, they still should not have access to guns, i could even deal with a mature kid having knowlegde, of a gun at certain ages depending on the maturity level, but they should NOT have access to them. If this 14 year old had the knowledge and no acess, then this would not have happened. but he was probably raised shown how to shoot guns, and then told if anyone he doesnt know comes on the property to shoot them, which i just cant see stealing a jet ski a death sentence crime, now im saying that stealing is right, but you dont know anything about the criminals situation, AT ALL. now i wont say the ends will neccesarily justify the means, and im sure his intentions of stealing the jet ski were for personal gain, but in retrospect if the guy was deaf and mute, you have no clue what his motives could have been in this shithole of an economy. but in the end it still comes down to, it did not deserve a death sentence, as somebody else said, i doubt that 14 year old was just hanging in the back yard playing with the shotgun, which means he either came out of the house (where he WAS NOT being threatened at all), or he went inside to get the gun (which means the shot was premediated murder) either which way, i believe its the parents fault for not having there guns securly locked up, and they probably taught the kid to do that. But for all you people who think the criminal deserved it, i hope the next time you get pulled for going speeding, the cop walks up to your car, yells weapon, and shoots you in the face. Then if by some fucking random chance, you manage to survive, im willing to bet everything i own your opinion changes, and dont try to say theres a difference, stealing and speeding are both illegal, which would make you a criminal as well, the severit of the crime doesnt matter in this case considering the criminal was stealing, no murdering, raping, or kidnapping or anything along those lines.

Ticked
Ticked

Oh my god what a FUCKING TOOL YOU ARE! AND A FUCKING LIBTARD TO BOOT!

I wager you've never even held a gun, as your FUCKING WORTHLESS LIBTARD PARENTS probably told how eeeeeeeevil they are.

GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Aupey
Aupey

Or maybe he was a responsible child?

Not every child is immature and can't be trusted.

Even adults, especially the ones that add "Booyah" and other dumb phrases at the end of ranting paragraphs.

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