Allen West Says "It's Just a Matter of Time" Before Gays "Break Down the Military"

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In another public reaffirmation of his belief that gay people are going to make America lose wars, Florida Republican Congressman Allen West said at a dinner in Plant City Saturday night that "when you take the military and you tell it they must conform to the individual's behavior, then it's just a matter of time until you break down the military," according to the Tampa Tribune.

He also said that the repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was nothing like the integration of the U.S. military after World War II.

"Let me explain something to you," he said. "I can't change my color. People can change their behavior."

The statement is a rehash of one he made to the Heritage Foundation in May, in which he said the military should not be made to accommodate the demands of "a very small special interest group."

West has never been shy about his opposition to the repeal, which will take effect in September. He has also never been particularly eloquent about it.

When confronted at an October 2010 town hall with a question about a gay officer who came home from overseas as a double amputee, West responded with a string of non-sequiturs that suggested the injured soldier was evidence that gays in the military were serving our nation just fine. He also that during his tenure in the Army he "fined people for not having the proper haircut" and that "you can go to military prison for 18 months for committing adultery," while avoiding the question of what being a homosexual actually has to do with combat readiness.

"The mission of the military is not to accommodate sexual behavior," West said. "Let me tell you something about me as a heterosexual in the military. I couldn't even walk in my uniform holding my wife's hand unless it was an official formal ceremony."

To review: Sexuality doesn't have much to do with military service. Heterosexuals can only hold hands at official ceremonies; homosexuals can't hold hands anywhere. If gays were allowed to hold hands at official ceremonies, the terrorists would win.

(In case you're interested, West was wrong about adultery penalty, unless Article 134(e) of the Manual for Courts Martial is just another dirty piece of liberal propaganda.)

This is far from the first time West decried repeal and never got around to explaining why. During hearings about the implementation of the DADT repeal, he spent several minutes asking some of the nation's highest ranking servicemen if the Marine Corps still did physical fitness tests and if he was still too short to be in the Third Infantry Regiment, all in an attempt to construct an intricately set-up argument that never materialized. These were the same hearings in which those same commanders said that so far, everything about the transition was going quite swimmingly.

There's no questioning West's military knowledge -- he served in the Army for more than 20 years and became a battalion commander, which he frequently reminds people about. But how long do the words "I served in the military" get to take the place of real answers?

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Blackyb
Blackyb

It seems the present thug administrators of this country are out to demoralize the military. They have been trying to place America in a bad light through finances and overburdening the tax payer. They are getting into policies that states should have rights to,and closing their eyes to hits and bits of those trying to enact  sharia law into our government. They are putting their noses into what people are allowed to say and not say, trying to take Christ out of Christmas and take anything American out of America such as overlapping their authority and blurring the lines in the three branches of government until it is slowly becoming where no accountability is easily pointed to. They are allowing voters to be intimidated and they supporting illegals to the point they are using these groups of illegals and union thugs to secure votes. IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT IS GOING ON THEN YOU ARE BLIND AND DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. Keeping this country free and sane is not a game or a joke. Keeping our American ideals what they should be and have been, is part of the thread that binds this country. This present administration is using class warfare as well as sneaky tactics of race to infiltrate every aspect of our lives and control the people until they are turned one against the other.  KNOW YOUR ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION and LAW. If you do not know who this country is, then you are going to lose it. That is their goal for it is a game that shifts power abroad and weakens this country. It is not being done for the people of this country. The ones behind Obama are using the less knowledgable to take over this country and hand it out like casting pearls to the swine.So when someone in the educational community is teaching false American History and allowing foreign history to "shine" and America look second best or worse then you know you are being assaulted by these anti-American forces. These same people are into the health education of this country speaking the unspeakable in front of your children, of things that are a shame to consider and making it look like an alternate "lifestyle." They are demoralizing your children with their filth. They are anything but good and use anything to lessen the strength of good that helps bind this country together. It is happening and your children are losing the innocence of their childhood and children when they see bad lose hope.  Keep them out at any cost and know what you are voting for. If you love this country, then vote them out who have no morals or principals, for your parents and grandparents are not wrong. Stand up for what is right and not what those in charge are trying to make you think is popular.

Gjoyscat
Gjoyscat

West is still a self centered egotiscal ass.  He stacks his town halls with people that have been cleared  by his staff and choosed the questions that he will answer and accepts NO questions from the audience.  How in the world he got elected is beyond me.  Oh wait, I know, he is from Flori-Duh!  God help us in this state.

GaryRichSoFL
GaryRichSoFL

Perhaps Rep. West does not know history but what he insinuates is what was said about black soldiers 75 years ago:1937 report from senior officers at the U.S. Army War College provided a litany of characterizations of Black soldiers that now are recognized as stereotypes:

"As an individual the Negro is docile, tractable, lighthearted, care free and good natured. If unjustly treated he is likely to become surly and stubborn, though this is usually a temporary phase. He is careless, shiftless, irresponsible and secretive. He resents censure and is best handled with praise and by ridicule. He is unmoral, untruthful, and his sense of right doing is relatively inferior" (quoted in Ambrose, 1972, p. 177).

bluesdoc70
bluesdoc70

No man of character or self respect is going to join or stay in an organization that equates his membership with tacit approval of this filthy perversion. And no soldier is going to risk his life for political correctness. The curtain hangers and paper pushers will join or stay. Combat soldiers or men who would make combat soldiers will leave or never join.

Usaflagflyngal
Usaflagflyngal

Just another expected example of liberals trying to shove things down our throats.  Why don't we leave this "gay" crap out of DC.  Seems to me that  we have a "plate-full" as it is, of issues that affect our standing in the world.  WHY should we give a royal _ _ _ _, about who people sleep with.  If one is of a mind to complicate their life by "hanging" their personal dirty laundry out in public then I guess that is their perogitive.  Each of us has a right to voice our opinion and not be dis'd for doing so.  West has earned the right to his opinion.  That is one of the good things that The TeaParty is changing about the way business will be done in the future.  No more going along to get a long.  EVERYTHING is OUT in the Open now.  Feet to the fire or Ba _ _s to the wall.  I want elected officials to give us everything straight up.  If you do'nt agree with them, then you will vote for someone else.  That's how it is suppose to work.  SO!  to hell with the cry baby DEM with his shorts in a bind about the POOR gays.  We'll worry about them after we get JOBS and get rid of the corruption in DC that is threatening to take US down. West is concerned with gays breaking down the military.  I'm more concerned with them trying to take over government.  They've already shoved their values into our schools and down the throats of our childern.

Bluewatersailor
Bluewatersailor

This pro-homosexual reporter/editorialist obviously has no direct, personal experience in the military.  Yet, on strictly idealistic arguments, he seeks to take Allen West to task.  The repeal of the ban on open homosexuality in the military was opposed by 63% of active service men and women in one poll.  The one few, if any, heard about.  The front line troops opposed this change in much higher numbers.  It is one reason the combat war chiefs in the middle east defied their superiors, threatening their own advancement, to decry this proposed change in testimony to the congress.  

This Democratic sponsored kow-tow to the homosexual lobby will prove a grand miscalculation, as Allen West rightly observes.  It already has had a demoralizing effect on troops on both battle fronts.  It will result in our military loosing some of its most valuable leaders. 

It is an example of how those who know nothing about the Armed Services being 'most assured of that which they know the least."

Dolly Dagger
Dolly Dagger

I guess you think I'm full of shit then?  I probably attended 50 "Dining Outs" as the date of homosexual officers in my military career.  

Methinks you too spent your military experience without a clue.

Dolly Dagger
Dolly Dagger

I spent nearly 10 years as an officer in the USAF,  During that time I served with many outstanding gay and lesbian military members.  I am positive that Allen West has as well, but is not sensitive or perceptive enough to know it.   He's a tool and truly an oreo.

David Hart
David Hart

Uh, how many such instances have occurred over, say, the last ten years? I hate to break it to you but gays are already serving in the US military in representative numbers. "They" made the same arguments in resistance to racial and then gender integration. Nonsense.

Ag2001
Ag2001

Gays have served in the past without making it public. When it is allowed to be public relationships are more likely to occur on the battlefield. Men and women should not be in combat situations together for the same reason. War is already complicated enough and requires our men and women to be focused on their responsibilities to the unit, not on a drama acted out on a battlefield with their partner. Straight people do not broadcast their personal lives, neither should gays. I don't even see why a gay person would want other people to know that about their personal life in that scenario. As a straight person, I would not share my love life with others that I serve with. It is the wrong place and time for that. Also, whether gay advocacy groups like it or not, some straight people would have an issue living with, showering with, and changing with a person of the same sex who is gay - and they should not be forced to do so. This is why men and women don't shower together in the military. It will be a distraction to everyone involved. The way to "fit in" is not to call so much attention to yourself if you are gay.  We all do not need to know the details of a person's love life.  One last comment - flamboyancy and Marine Corps boot camp. Picture how that is going to play out. I foresee a lot of drill instructors feeling forced to allow certain individualist conduct that they would not otherwise tolerate from a straight person.  Straight people will see that and possibly exhibit some of their own individualist conduct.  Result:  people won't follow orders because they feel that they are in a "protected class" and a complete break down of the military. West is correct.  Gays can serve and I personally appreciate it when anyone - gay or straight makes that choice.  Just keep your sex lives to yourself.  The military is not the place for it.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

You're missing the point, and you're confusing homosexuality with ugly stereotypes. On-duty conduct has nothing to do with the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell -- no one is demanding that gay people be allowed to hang out in foxholes wearing feather boas and Ugg boots. The desire is simply that homosexuals be afforded the same rights as straight servicemen and women, a desire that top military leadership has embraced as wholly practical.

If a male soldier has a relationship with a woman, well, that happens every day. But if a male soldier is revealed to have a relationship with another man, BOOM, he's booted. Both serve our country, both dodge the same bullets in the desert. Does that seem fair?

You say "as a straight person, I would not share my love life with others that I serve with," and that's a reasonable, and probably the most responsible, stance to take. But if you were to share details of your personal life with someone you worked with, you wouldn't have to fear for your job. A gay man would. This is not about the right to have a "gay" public life. It's about the right to have a gay private life.

Ag2001
Ag2001

You're not listening to me or you are being dishonest with yourself.  Of course I know there is no change in behavioral policies with the repeal of DADT.  Let me give you an extreme hypothetical using lots of stereotypes.  Joe is gay and likes a lot of attention.  DADT is repealed so he knows he can be out and stay in the military.  He enters Marine boot camp, shows up wearing sparkly lip stick and pink sunglasses.  He speaks with a feminine lisp, waves his right hand around when he speaks, and keeps signed photos of Cher in his footlocker.  He is a disruption to the class.  So, the DI gives him crap about the way he talks and walks telling him he is not acting like a Marine.  Joe gets angry and files a complaint against the DI.  The DI gets hauled into his superior's office and has no other choice but to allow Joe to act the way Joe acts because "that is who he is" and there is no more DADT rule.  All of the other recruits are forced to share the shower facilities with Joe (so not only do they get just a 3 minute cold shower, but they have to do so with someone who is attracted to the same sex).  With DADT in place, the DI could have removed the disruptive man without a problem.  But repealing DADT does not set any rules for what behavior is "who a person is" versus what is actually "disruptive".  Will this be the majority of cases.  Probably not, but it will happen.  Use common sense.  Lawsuits and lower morale are on the way.  Before you start calling me a bigot and everything else you want to say, let me say, I am not a bigot, I have gay people in my family, and I generally like most people.  I have nothing against gay people.  This is not an issue of equality or privacy, this is simply forcing the fact that a person is gay out into everyone else's face - essentially rubbing people's noses in it.  Trying to force acceptance.  Let me give advice:  if gays want to be accepted, all that they need to do is be good to others and respect others' boundaries and keep their sex lives to themselves.  Kooks will never accept gay people, but gay people will win over straight people who have some sense, which are all gays should care about wining over anyway. 

Ag2001
Ag2001

I have never heard of a single case of someone losing their job because a superior learned the person was gay if that person was discreet about it and was not using it to test the system. If you are aware of one please share it. Your are also failing to consider that straight men may not want to quarter with or shower with other men who are attracted to the same sex. If it got out that a soldier was gay and other men in the unit are uncomfortable about changing and showering with that person then either you need to create separate facilities or remove the one gay guy or remove all of the straight guys who are uncomfortable with it. I am straight and I don't shower with strange women at the gym. Straight soldiers should not be forced to share facilities with gays if they are not comfortable with it. Once the fact that someone is gay is out it introduces all kind of complications.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

You're simply wrong here. A gay person CAN'T decide it's ok during boot camp to act any way other than the way he's told. Do you know what this repeal is? It isn't about any change in the on-duty behavioral policies of the armed forces; just because DADT was repealed doesn't mean mortar teams are going to be running around with purses.

And I didn't "admit" anything that resembles a statement about gays serving in the military without any problems, West did, and he's wrong. Maybe there haven't been any problems for the good red-blooded straight folks, but I'm sure the gay men and women living in warzones weren't particularly satisfied with having to hide who they were.

Your argument about religious symbols being banned from uniforms is completely backwards, but it helps prove the point -- it's true that you're not allowed to have a big cross painted onto the back of your uniform. But if someone found out you were a Christian, you wouldn't lose your job. This is the part you're skipping over. Of COURSE no one needs to know your sexual orientation, just like no one needs to know your religion. But there's a difference between "keep your religion to yourself" and "if we find out about your religion you have to go home in disgrace."

Ag2001
Ag2001

I am not confusing stereotypes.  A gay person may feel it is okay during boot camp, for example, to act in a certain way announcing his sexual orientation to everyone because he feels he can be out in everyone's face.  I know every gay person is not flamboyant, but it does exist within the gay community and that behavior may be forced upon the military because to object to it could be running afoul of the repeal of DADT.  Result?  Lawsuits.  If anyone complains about such behavior or it is corrected, the gay person could use the DADT repeal to hammer the drill instructor for example.  Not saying all gays would do this at all.  But, as always is the case, we are all forced to walk on eggshells so that a few can have their way.  Also, you just admitted yourselves on this post that gays have been serving in the military without any problem for years.  Therefore, there is no need to repeal DADT.  It is in place to keep order and avoid distractions which is important to the military for obvious reasons.  Just like religious symbols are banned from uniforms, no one needs to know your sexual orientation.  And your statement that BOOM he's booted is ridiculous.  I am sure that commanding officers have known that some of their men are gay - but broadcasting it is the issue.  This is not at all about privacy.  It's about gays wanting to force everyone else to accept them out in the open even to the detriment to morale and the military as a whole.  It's selfish and will cause problems.  Are the men who ask to shower and quarter in separate areas from gay men going to be attacked now?  Of course they will.  They will be called bigots, etc.  More distractions.

David Hart
David Hart

West is a Christianist crackpot and that is what this is all about. He cannot accept that sexual orientation is organic because that means that God created me, and 35 million other American taxpayers, gay. In other words, in all things gay, the answer is "choice" and you work back from there to define the question. "Behavior" is simply another word for gay.

Hopefully, we ALL get off the couch in 2012 with the intention of making Mr. West unemployed again. I am in South Beach so I am not in West's district. How on earth did Broward allow this to happen?

Usaflagflyngal
Usaflagflyngal

Good luck with that!  You should kiss his feet.  He has spent the best part of his life supporting your right to voice your pathetic opinion.  SO!  shut your "pie hole" you pipsqueek"!  What have you been doing with your life?  Cry baby! 

Ag2001
Ag2001

what he is saying is that when you make the military about individuals rather than the collective unit, the military will lose cohesion.  the military survives on teamwork, not individuality.  also, when you add homosexual relationships into the fray, it will be a distraction and may cause men to make the wrong decision on the battlefield - like making bad decisions in combat to save a lover when such an act would put the rest of the unit in danger.  

Usaflagflyngal
Usaflagflyngal

Could'nt have put if better myself.  RIGHT ON!!!!!!!  Why do gays think that they have the right to change the military to suit their INDIVIDUAL needs and lifestyle.  They need to pull up their big kid panties and stop with the cry baby crap!

anonymous
anonymous

Question for the writer of this article, Rich Abdill.  Were you at this event to hear West speak?  Or did you just write this article by transcripts?  I ask not as a supporter of West, but as someone who thinks "journalists" today are not what they were in the past.  Many MANY articles and TV reports are written second hand and THAT'S JUST WRONG.  Please advise your readers so we can make a judgement on this.

Rich Abdill
Rich Abdill

A fair question. I wasn't there; I've changed the first paragraph to make that more clear. I linked to the original article if you are interested in putting the quote into a broader context, but the thrust of the article was that West has said these things over and over again, which I didn't have to be there to find out.Thanks to YouTube, I had an easier time proving this than the journalists of yore would have. I'm certainly not saying Internet videos are a replacement for original reporting, but for the purpose of demonstrating a congressman's support of a particular stance, they're pretty useful. And that's what this is about.

Lightangel1960
Lightangel1960

He also said that the repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was nothing like the integration of the U.S. military after World War II, according to the Tampa Tribune."Let me explain something to you," he said. "I can't change my color. People can change their behavior."

West is part of the pray the gay away crowd...they don't like our Democracy, they want "their country back" so they can turn it into a theocracy...the founding fathers would have hated tea baggers ;)

clr1390
clr1390

Kudos to him???????? Only in America  would we chant for a complete idiot like Allen West. He is a disgrace to this country. He has taken women way back and hopefully if he is around much longer he will put the screw to a whole lot more seniors. He would rip that check right out of their hand and laugh all the way to the bank. I am going to sit back and watch the seniors in Florida cry and bit** when they have to pay a whole lot more for their MEDICARE. Go Allen!!!!!!!!!!!! Those rich seniors who retired to your state with a pension and Social Security need to man up and pay their fair share.....LOL

Josegeorge
Josegeorge

This black gay forgot when his people was separated and couldn't even go to the same restaurants or places than white people or they have to rife on the back of the buses, he forgot how black people was discriminated like he is doing now with gay people, a nazi black guy, really? he may be a very closeted gay parson, a minority discriminating another minrity, it is pathetic , he forgot how his people were slaves 

Diller821
Diller821

I know a femals Combat that served in Iraq during the time Allen Was there. She would disagree. Shes gay, and saved our convoy. Def was not hurting the Army that day. AGe has a big part in how we view the Gay community.

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MrMonNite
MrMonNite

He actually has the balls to say what many people think. Kudos to him.

vikingwarbrides
vikingwarbrides

He also has the "balls" to call a woman "vile and disgusting".  What does that tell you about the degree of civility he possesses?

Usaflagflyngal
Usaflagflyngal

She is DISGUSTING!  She is a FEAR MONGER!  Hope she gets voted out when her term is up.  She is really a good example of what is wrong with the DEM Party.  I was one for  nearly 50 years.  She is a great example of why I left the party. They elected her as their leader????  That says it all!  That the best they could do?????????  OMG!  Someone needs to give the broad a "buzz cut".  The fright wig is DISGUSTING!

Jeebus
Jeebus

is he saying he wishes he was white or something other than assiest of holes he is?

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