"Occupy Miami" Camp-Out Will Begin Oct. 15, 700 Arrested In New York

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A protester in New York. But will they turn out in force in Miami?
They came. They saw. They arranged to convene at a later date.

Ar-Miami-geddon didn't happen, but more than a hundred "Occupy Miami" protesters did meet on Saturday in Bayfront Park downtown. They agreed to gather again this Saturday to plan a camp-out beginning on October 15.

With 700 protesters arrested on Saturday in New York, and similar demonstrations underway in a dozen other cities around the country, Miami could soon be a node in a national citizen uprising. But what do protesters here want?

When we asked organizer Daniel Lopez on Friday, he couldn't quite say.

"We are protesting many things," he said. "There are just too many issues at hand to get specific at the moment."

Demonstrators in NYC have slammed the corporate take-over of American politics (see Citizens United v. FEC) and the nation's growing inequality.

Video footage of Saturday's "Occupy Miami" meeting, however, shows protesters in the Magic City are angry and ambitious, but have yet to rally around a single message.


Part of the problem is this neon-lit pleasure strip in which we live. "Occupy Wall Street" has a natural enemy in the epicenter of the financial crisis. What does Miami have to rail against?

Debt. Lots of it, from the voices on the video.

Whether or not that will be enough to bring Miamians out in force in two weeks, we'll have to wait and see.

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Dimitri Sculptor
Dimitri Sculptor

It is not about republicans or democrats it is about congress and how the federal reserve is misappropriating and spending our money. Congress does not have the best interests in mind of the people they represent. Congress is representing their own self interests and those of other special interest groups and corporations who are controlling congress by lobbying and giving them money to do what they want and this is wrong for America.

SEXYGRANDMOM
SEXYGRANDMOM

When we learn to trust and put GOD and JESUS first in our life , not man nor woman, than and only than will these problems change. No man can do norther with GOD. from the white house to the capital house.UNTIL THIS  COUNTRY TURN BACK TO GOD THINGS ARE GOING TO GET WORSE NOT BETTER NO MATTER WHO ARE PRESIDENT.

Mario Miralles
Mario Miralles

I will be out there protesting the Federal Reserve and promoting Ron Paul

Hank
Hank

Does there have to be a single message? Why the cookie-cutter approachH

Dwinitzky
Dwinitzky

Hipsters are idiots. Guy Fawkes actually had a goal. These people are aimless and obviously ignorant. First, go to Brickell where most of the financial companies are if you're trying to make a point. Bayfront Park really? Second, If you really want to do something go to New York and camp on Wall Street. You can't disrupt anything in Miami because there is no central financial/industrial hub and further more, people just don't care. In an Island like Manhattan people can reach a critical mass to disrupt but not in a "sprawled" city like Miami. 90% of the population is far removed from your protests and probably have no idea it's going on. Furthermore actions like this have never endeared to the population in Miami, don't expect change or support. Remember FTAA? Remember the Elian Gonzalez protests? They didn't win over any supporters with their actions. Also MDPD don't mess around when it comes to crowd control.

Zaytouni24
Zaytouni24

Criticizing Americans for living above their means is like spanking a kid for eating too much candy after you gave them ten bags of candy. We went from struggling, to being taught to embrace the American Dream and finally financing everything to Keep Up With The Jones. Our students might be of a lower education level than other countries but they more confident and tend to have an "I can do anything attitude." We hav practiced conspicuous consumption in America long enough. We can't act like we didnt know materialism and money were never going to be a gateway to peace and happiness. Want to help? Be content with what you have. Stand up for what's right. Respect eachother. No religion is going to put that in your heart. No political movement is going to change you. YOU can make the difference by EDUCATING yourself and others on the issues. Stop feeding off the media, it's entertainment and mindless programming. It's time we woke up and this is a start.

Armani Sr
Armani Sr

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As we gather in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.They have sold our privacy as a commodity.They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media and socialnetwork emotional mood surveillance programs.They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *To the people of the world,We, the General Assembly occupying Miami in South Florida, urge you to assert your power.Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.Join us and make your voices heard!*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

AnthonyC
AnthonyC

Protest all you want but don't you dare get in my way!!!

Surfinandsailin
Surfinandsailin

This post partially @ Sir Sausage and FCSLMike

Yes, people should be more attentive to the fine print in their mortgage and credit card contracts. BUT! Banks are supposed to be responsible for lending money only to those that can pay it back. It is a double edged sword. The banks who have employees whose sole jobs are to evaluate a prospective customer's ability to pay back loans and does these types of transactions on a daily basis is much more qualified to make a decision, yay our nay, on whether or not it can be paid off. The 30 pages of fine print, complicated financial terms, and the stress of sitting at a bank for sometimes multiple hours don't really lend proper conditions for the average borrower to have even the slightest clue what the default rates and compounded interest means to them for the future. They are then at the mercy of their lending agent to provide them with such information and translate it into words that are less technical.

On that note, with Alan Greenspan and the deregulation of Wall Street in 2000, even more complicated financial terms arose...like derivatives and credit default swaps, which were created by the same financial gurus that wrote the fine print on those mortgages which made it nearly impossible for the average person to payoff...especially if you lost your job! Guess what, these individuals then used these derivatives and credit default swaps to take bets on whether or not you could pay off that mortgage! All at the expense of the stability of the banking institutions they worked for because there was no real money to support those bets. So, as soon as the mortgage crisis hit, and all those investment bankers wanted to cash in their credit default swaps, the banks went broke trying to pay them all off. At this point, because no one knew exactly what happened outside of investment bankers in companies like Goldman Sachs, AIG, Lehman Bros, and hedge fund investors like John Paulson, these same people got the government to give the banks a "no stipulation, 0 accountability, and immediate multi-billion dollar bailout" which was paid for by the american taxpayers, many of whom had lost their homes. So what did they do with the bailout money? Nobody even knows, because that was a part of the deal..0 accountability. What we do know is that many billions of it went to the same investment bankers and CEOs in the form of MASSIVE bonuses. (These people who received bonuses are the same ones who dug their companies into the ground but lined their personal pockets with credit default swap bets along the way).

Essentially, when the smoke cleared, it became apparent that:

First, borrowers got tricked into getting mortgages they couldn't pay off.

Second, some (not all) of these mortgage lender individuals then made bets that you couldn't pay off that mortgage, and financially backed those bets with theoretical, derivative calculated money (i.e.: imaginary money).

Third, when the housing market crashed and everyone inevitably defaulted on those mortgages, they received returns as high as 600%-1000% and up from there on those credit default swap bets.

Fourth, these imaginary money bets were placed with the institutions that lent the mortgage money in the first place (I believe, though am not sure, that many of these investment bankers could bet with credit default swaps through the institutions for which they worked). And because there was no real money (or at least no where near enough) to pay out all of these bets when the housing market crashed and everyone defaulted, the banks required bailout money paid by taxpayers.

Fifth, bailout bonuses were paid to these scammers, which means they were legally allowed to double dip...once on "bets" they knew they would win because they structured your mortgage to fail and didn't tell you, and once on the bailout money that was again at the expense of the middle class who pays a higher income tax percentage than the wealthy.

When republicans say a redistribution of wealth is a bad thing, I can finally agree, because that's exactly what the fat cat financial experts did in a matter of a few short years...they redistributed it straight into their pockets.

The ironic thing about all of this is that our country experienced this problem previously in the stock market crash of 1907, which led to the original laws on financial regulation. These laws banned secondary bets on financial investments (i.e. betting on whether or not stock would rise or fall, or in modern times, betting on whether or not someone could pay their mortgage). All of the financial crisis stemmed from this deregulation, because previously, these investors would have been committing a felony if they made such bets. And they were felonies because it's like allowing an author to place bets on what happens at the end of a book that they wrote!

So why did we allow this deregulation? Because with Alan Greenspan at the helm, investors saw a huge opportunity for growth in the financial sector, and used a booming housing market to fuel that growth. It must be noted however, that the intention of this deregulation was never to collapse financial institutions...but greed and lack of understanding of the risk of derivatives and secondary financial betting made it inevitable.

This entire post culminates in this statement:Dishonest financial investors on Wall Street were not directly at fault for creating this situation, but they thoroughly took advantage of it at the expense of honest borrowers and later, all American taxpayers. The financial collapse was actually rooted in big money, large corporation political lobbying. Without which we would still have financial regulation and therefore no financial collapse. Without which our politicians would not have been duped into paying billions of unaccountable taxpayer dollars to crooks. And without which the economical and political stability of the country, and even the world, would not be in shambles.

WE HAVE LET CAPITALISM SPILL OVER FROM ECONOMICS INTO POLITICS AND IT IS TRUMPING DEMOCRACY! WE MUST END POLITICAL LOBBYING RIGHT NOW! LET THE PEOPLE, NOT SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WITH LOADS OF CASH, DECIDE HOW OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD VOTE!

Earthbone
Earthbone

We want health care,A surpreme court for the people not the corporations.We want our unions and fare wages for all,affordable tuition and we're gonna get it ! The Earthbone Rebels will be at " Occupy Miami "  count on it.Teabaggers can eat crow will show you how things are really done and done for real !

Drake Mallard
Drake Mallard

The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the b alls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fu*ked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fu*kin’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly sh!ttier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fu*kin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later 'cause they own this fu*kin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good, honest, hard-working people: white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good, honest, hard-working people continue — these are people of modest means — continue to elect these rich c0cksuckers who don’t give a fu*k about them. They don’t give a fu*k about you. They don’t give a fu*k about you. They don’t care about you at all! At all! At all! And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue d!ck that’s being jammed up their as sholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it.  

George Carlin

Need2know
Need2know

Why? I'll tell you why. Once upon a time Americans lived paycheck to paycheck. Now we are living credit card to credit card. The banks pleaded, "we are too big to fail!". The government agreed and took all of our tax dollars that were not being spent on wars to protect big oil's interests in the middle east and gave it to the banks. When they ran out of our tax dollars they began to print more.Today the banks turn their noses up at the citizens. Why should they lend to the great unwashed to buy homes at a mere 4percent when They earn 18 to 29 percent on the credit cards we are all living on? Why lend to small businesses when the government gives the banks loans at 0 percent and then pays them 2 percent to borrow it back? Why risk giving it to some young entrepreneur who might make a difference in their community when we can get that same entrepreneur to work for the only organization hiring, the US Military? We need those warm bodies to protect big oil's interest the middle east. Where would America be today, if we had spent the trillions squandered on Iraq developing and building renewable alternative energy sources in our own back yard? Bur these are moot questions I am told. The past is the past. Shut up and drink your latte. MasterCard or Visa? 

Iloveny
Iloveny

NY protesters should go back to their parent's upper east side penthouse, take a shower, and then go get a job.

nanook5
nanook5

good luck with the MSM lockstep in denying the occupy movement has a point.

Rob
Rob

Is it expected that each city will come up with their own list of demands? There seems to be an air of challenge which states 'do you really have demands, or are you just doin' this cause you've nothing else to do?'

The surge of these sit-ins should be evidence enough that there do exist demands. The difficulty for individuals to immediately express a comprehensive list of demands indicates the challenges created by the current manner in which economic, political, and social information is organized.

How's this for a place to start: 

http://www.ted.com/talks/alan_...

"The more we try to snip shut & quiet the qualms expressed by others, the less we understand how we can make decisions that will genuinely resolve the origins of these complaints."

"Complainers are necessary, should never be ignored, and never be silent; however, only when the origins of their complaints are ignored. Complainers are immediately unnecessary when the root challenges are genuinely addressed and investigated. It is only when clarity and objective information is available and prevalent, that complainers can begin to find solutions."

seep
seep

They should protest the fact that NOBODY USES THEIR FUCKING TURN SIGNALS! in this city.

Hdezcanton
Hdezcanton

Miami is a fascist stronghold. In case anyone forgot the Miami Model, you could expect law enforcement (in riot gear) to be extra brutal in putting down any left leaning dissent, local government will break the constitution with some draconian ordinance (which they'll revoke later), and our local right-winged media machine (especially spanish language media controlled by Alaracon and Cisneros) will spin the protests as outside agitators (commies!) strirring up uneccessary trouble in a community that likes everything the way it is. Mass arrests will occur only to have charges dismissed later but at least they get people off the street. I suggest a "flash mob" strategy for Miami with focus on getting indy media attention.

Sir Sausage
Sir Sausage

I keep hearing people blaming corporate America and banks for their debt.  How is this anyone else's fault but your own?

Anthony Majin Phillips
Anthony Majin Phillips

Debt,Healthcare,Miami politics. All of this things and more need to be address. I hope corp. America is watching, reading, and listening because the thing you most fear is coming. People. The people you have been taking advantage of for so many years are waking up from hypnotic spell of flashy ads and empty promises you place them under and they want their money back.  

BROKECOLLEGEGRAD
BROKECOLLEGEGRAD

jesus set a good example of how we are supposed to treat each other. 2000 years of western civilization kind of distorted that message.... but i asked him about why i have to work for a sexist douche who takes advantage of his employees to pay my rent, my bills, and maybe food at the end of it and i have yet to hear back. looks like *I* am the one who is stuck looking for a new job and not sleeping at night, because i want more for myself, my future children and to have the privilege of being a grandmom someday. it's called responsibility for myself and one another.

Lukeisstupid
Lukeisstupid

I thought this was all going to change under Obama............? Yea.....right......you guys got duped by his fancy speeches and he sold you guys out as soon as he got in even with a democratic congress for 2 years. 

HERMAN CAIN 2012!!!!!!!

Mirsner
Mirsner

lloveny Do these people arouse an anger inside you.  Is it because deep down you know they are doing whats right and you could never do that yourself?

E_lite
E_lite

Yeah, cause these days they're just falling out of the sky right?

MKIRSNER
MKIRSNER

Hi Sir Sausage,It's not really the blame game; people are standing up for whats right.  Hidden behind your daily hypotnotic media; the truth is these major corporations: banks/petro-chemical companies /International Money organizations are all in control of our governemnt, media and military.  They are using sick tactics for power and financial gain; resulting in widespread war, stravation, imprisonment, natives losing their lands, pollution and much more.Do a little research, our corporate banks have robbed us!  Funny only a couple hundred years ago there where millions of natives that lived here' they treated the land as sacred, they had little used for money, and they did not seek to control others.ANYTIME PEOPLE ARE STRANDING UP FOR WHATS RIGHT; YOU MUST REALIZE, THAT THE IS HUMAN SOUL AT ITS BEST; THESE PROTESTERS REPRESENT ALL OF US.

Fglaw
Fglaw

sir sausage really needs to educate himself

Rosa Hill
Rosa Hill

29% on a card that was 12% when you got it!

Rob
Rob

Though labeling Miami folk as ignorant may seem berating, I believe it to be relatively true; as such, it is easy to manipulate people who are not informed. Indisputably, one's ignorance is indirectly proportional to the quality of information they are exposed to (ie. if i learn about crap, i'll be ignorant to what matters, and viceversa) .

As quality information is not generally encouraged by business and media, not only in Miami but nationally (i and others have been lookin' for it, still can't find it): it is difficult to accuse distracted and wastefully advert-ised 'masses' for making poor decisions.

Though ultimately the responsibility lies on an individual to make sound choices, the other individuals encouraging poor choices are equally culpable as those who enabled them to offer poor choices. 

In short, there are a lot of people who are at fault and pointing the finger solely at individuals who made poor choices and can be easily interpreted as an almost short-sighted, lazy attempt at a conclusion, that actually only serves to overlook the rest of the problem.

NatalieV
NatalieV

No I think he means traffic wise.

E_lite
E_lite

From one sinking ship to another.

Surfinandsailin
Surfinandsailin

Tea party members of congress have made it impossible for any compromises and progress to be made in a bi-partisan government, by Obama, Boehner, or any other politician seeking progress. But, political issues aside, even tea party members support the abolition of lobbyism in politics and the return of power to the people!

Fglaw
Fglaw

 start with this:google :   cnbc originals house of cards

FCSLMike
FCSLMike

Interest rate changes are indicated on a credit card contract.  This is nothing new and as an ADULT, it's your responsibility to be informed.  If you want the US government holding your hand through life, expect to pay 50% income taxes like the rest of the socialized countries.  You have a choice - agree to a contract, borrow money, pay the creditor; or, don't borrow the money!

More like sob creators
More like sob creators

Well stated Rob!  The whole cultural condition in Miami and beyond is a self-fulling prophecy of complacency and superficiality. We like the hallow BS exuded by the media because we don't know any better. Its like, how does a fish know that there is a hook inside that tasty piece of bait? 

People made poor mortgage decisions because they thought they were getting good information from lenders who turned out to be loans sharks.   

Image and greed is the main undercurrent driving this city. 

Nothing trickles down. Its always trickles up, including information. 

Vulte2000
Vulte2000

ya interest rates change but if the card company doesnt notify u and also when u made the purchase the interest rate was low now that u owe them money they raise it i had one we spent 3k on card were on time making payment a yr later yr double the rate we opted out as per there own policies 6 month later the opt out doesnt exist and they doubled rate again when the money was borrowed the agreed rate was low and so after speaking with a ceo and six month later none of what was in writing and agreed by the ceo even exist had no choice but to say to them your nvr getting our money hold the debt for as long as the company is around i think more need to tell them to get bent and refuse to pay them make them go belly up

Mkirsner
Mkirsner

You have other choices!Funny only a couple hundred years ago there where millions of natives that lived here' they treated the land as sacred, they had little used for money, and they did not seek to control others.

nanook5
nanook5

about 8k thanks to a predatory insurance agency who made up a reason to deny coverage when my wife got in a car wreck. guess what our state regulatory agencies did when i told them my current, paid, car insurance was stiffing me on that bill? nothing. i am in fact paying it because it would wreck my co-borrowers credit. i couldn't care less about mine - a meaningless fantasy number forced on me by our criminal overlords. otherwise, my debtor, which stole billions of tax dollars in its bailout which leaves it majority owned by the american people, could sit on that bill and spin on it.

nanook5
nanook5

you're just reciting the bullshit your masters have taught you. the financial sector of our country is an organized criminal enterprise and you and sean hannity can take your socialist fearmongering and shove it. "responsibility" & "agreeing to a contract" do not legitimize trillions of dollars in wealth lost by the lower classes in the last 3 years through no fault of their own.

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