Alimony Bill Would Let Rich Dudes Who Cheat on Their Wives Off Easier

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Ritch Workman, the Republican state representative from Melbourne who has already introduced a bill to legalize dwarf tossing, is back with another stunningly stupid and controversial bill. Just eight days after Workman finalized his own divorce, he introduced a new piece of legislation that would radically rewrite the state's alimony laws and would effectively let wealthy men who cheat on their wives off the financial hook.

HB549 would amount to a massive rewrite of the state's alimony laws. Most intriguing, if the bill became law, it would forbid judges from factoring in instances of adultery into their alimony decision. It would also cap the amount and length of alimony payments.

"My initial take is that it's basically anti-woman and anti-alimony," Richard West, past president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, tells the Orlando Sentinel. "More importantly, the bill was not very well thought-out."

He also calls the bill "the lawyer's relief act," because it would allow existing divorce settlements to be reopened and renegotiated under the new laws.

Even a guy who used to represent Elin Nordegren, Tiger Wood's ex-wife, calls the bill "draconian."

Workman, though, unlike his staunch defense of his dwarf-tossing bill, seems to be backing down. He says he'll remove language that would place a cap on alimony payments, but has yet to do so.

"A cap is a bad idea," he says. "If I had thought through it, I would have realized that."

Really? Isn't that your job? To think through the bills you write that could affect hundreds of thousands of people in the state before you introduce them? Oy.

Workman finalized his own divorce November 2 but says the bill would not affect him because he is not paying alimony.

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Droninst
Droninst

I'm the rich guy and my wife cheated. No fault state. Who will get screwed now? Still the person working hard to support the family.

Floridaliberal
Floridaliberal

My ex is a high earning lawyer who decided to move to Florida for his career, while I quit my job..He didn't wanted to be married but I divorced him when he wouldn't allow me to see my kids. I paid for his law school. I've got an illness meaning I'll never earn the money I once did, and I stayed home with our kids for 10 yrs. I bought a house, got a loan based on my income as stated in divorce CONTRACT. Why can Florida void my CONTRACT? This will NEVER hold up under judicial review. 

melissa
melissa

If this bill is anti-woman and anti-alimony then it should be safe to say that the current laws are anti-man and pro-poverty for him.  It goes both ways dumbass!  women have turned into money hungry money grubbing psychotic idiots who's only thoght process is "how can I get more money"  Thank you Florida legislature for creating NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD!~  Truly, it's scary out there!

Steve6372
Steve6372

Marriage today is a complete waste of time. No one should marry, have children, or cohabitate under any condition with anyone, period. Divorce laws are setup to drain and bankrupt all high earners and those with assets. Lawyers and typically woman laugh all the way to the bank and the man, typically is stripped of his rights and forced into lifetime alimony slavery in some states. Guys, those of you that are contemplating marriage need to make an appointment with your Dr to have your head examined. There should be a law that forces all couples to visit with a reputable divorce attorney before marriage so find out the laws and what will typically happen if divorce occurs, because there is a 50-90% chance divorce will occur at some point. DON'T MARRY, DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, DON'T COHABITATE, problem solved !

Bhornet
Bhornet

Your an idiot.  Why don't you cover the huge issue of gold diggers in the state of Florida fairly.  Why do you give woman a free pass in marriage.  You are a sexist biggot, period.

Jean Teresky
Jean Teresky

I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THE FLORIDA ALIMONY LAWS SHOULD BE ALTERED.  I AM 73 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN PAYING ALIMONY FOR 5 YEARS.  MY PAYMENT  IS ABOUT ONE THIRD  OF MY FIXED GROSS INCOME.  THIS LEAVES ME ABOUT $700. A MONTH TO PAY MY BILLS INCLUDING RENT, FOOD, MEDICAL COVERAGE, UTILITIES , ETC.  WHILE I AM UNABLE TO PAY MY BILLS MY FORMER WIFE  USES THE ALIMONY I  MUST SEND HER FOR BINGO, CRUISES, AND OTHER PLEASUREABLE ACTIVITIES.  SHE ALSO RECEIVES A PENSION AND SOCIAL SECURITY.  HER FIXED INCOME IS AS HIGH AS MINE IS. I AM A VETERAN, HAVE NEVER COLLECTED UNEMPLOYMENT, WAS DIVORCED BY MY FORMER WIFE AND I FIND MYSELF A SLAVE OF THE SYSTEM.  WHEN FILING FOR MODIFICATION, THE LEGAL SYSTEM SUPPORTS THE PERSON RECEIVING THE ALIMONY WITH LITTLE OR NO CONSIDERATION FOR THE PAYEE.  THIS IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. 

Laura Fausone
Laura Fausone

In his own language, it's a "choice" if a dwarf wants to be tossed in a bar.  In his own language, Workman states if a dwarf is injured, has no insurance and ends up in the ER, well that's his "choice".  People have the right to "choose" their lifestyle, and the government has no right to interfere in people's lifestyle and choices.  That includes "co-habitation", "at least one hand on the handlebars of a bike" and "having a bottle collection that could give the appearance of brewing beer."  This is what Rich Workman works on.  However, he is still adamently against a woman's right to "choose".  New hairstyle:  shaved head.  Trying to look like Daddy Warbucks or Lex Luthar?  If the latter, than I guess a Vagina is his kryptonite.

southaustin
southaustin

And where is the personal responsibility in all this  ? Trying to change the legal system to bail out people who made a bad choice in choosing a marriage partner is just another form of welfare - the state shouldn't be in the business of protecting people who make bad decisions. I don't feel sorry for all the people here  with tales of woe where gold diggers  took advantage of the law to take  them to the cleaners. I also don't feel sorry for people that totally mess up their marriages by sleeping around or acting like total jerks. The answer is not to change the law but for people to take marriage seriously and do better due diligence  before committing to marriage. This is no different from people with underwater mortgages looking to get bailed out - buying a house is a risky proposition - just like marriage. No one forces people to get married or to buy a house - they need to learn to live with the consequences of those decisions and stop asking to be bailed out.

vern
vern

I'm paying permanent alimony to a woman who inherited $600,000 and doesn't need it at all. I'm just barely making ends meet. The current laws stink!

Jean Teresky
Jean Teresky

I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THE FLORIDA ALIMONY LAWS SHOULD BE ALTERED.  I AM 73 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN PAYING ALIMONY FOR 5 YEARS.  MY PAYMENT  IS ABOUT ONE THIRD  OF MY FIXED GROSS INCOME.  THIS LEAVES ME ABOUT $700. A MONTH TO PAY MY BILLS INCLUDING RENT, FOOD, MEDICAL COVERAGE, UTILITIES , ETC.  WHILE I AM UNABLE TO PAY MY BILLS MY FORMER WIFE  USES THE ALIMONY I  MUST SEND HER FOR BINGO, CRUISES, AND OTHER PLEASUREABLE ACTIVITIES.  SHE ALSO RECEIVES A PENSION AND SOCIAL SECURITY.  HER FIXED INCOME IS AS HIGH AS MINE IS. I AM A VETERAN, HAVE NEVER COLLECTED UNEMPLOYMENT, WAS DIVORCED BY MY FORMER WIFE AND I FIND MYSELF A SLAVE OF THE SYSTEM.  WHEN FILING FOR MODIFICATION, THE LEGAL SYSTEM SUPPORTS THE PERSON RECEIVING THE ALIMONY WITH LITTLE OR NO CONSIDERATION FOR THE PAYEE.  THIS IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. 

Standup4yourself
Standup4yourself

Who is paying your newspaper to print such slanted articles? Are you so misinformed about the laws in your state that leave the payers financially and emotionally bankrupt that you blinded printed it? Unfair and irresponsible journalism. You need to re-address this.....fairly.

Pteresky
Pteresky

I tottally agree that the Florida alimony laws must be altered.  I am 73 years old and have been paying alimony for about 5 years.  My monthly payment is about one third of my fixed gross income.  This only leaves me about $700.  per month to pay my bills which include rent, food, medicine, medical coverage, utilities and other necessities.  My payments to my ex wife are for non essentials like bingo, cruises, etc.  I am a veteran have never collected unemployment and was divorced by my former wife.  She has a fixed income which is at least equal to mine.  When filing for modification with the state, I found that the system supports the person receiving the alimony and that there is very little attention paid to the facts including past case history.Florida is many years behind many states in correcting unfair alimony laws.  Family practice attorneys always favor the person receiving the alimony.    Paul

ex2rich
ex2rich

As a stay-at-home "home-maker" ex-wife, I considered marriage to be for life.  When we were first married, we had no money and no children.  Because of our combined efforts and after twenty years we had money and children.  I worked just as hard as my now doctor husband building his practice and managing the home. When my husband decided his AAA (Affairs, Addiction and Abuse) were more important than our marriage and children, he filed for divorce.  Because he controlled all the money and is self-employed; he hired a legal team (2 attorneys, a forensic accountant and a CPA).  He hid money, lied to his attorneys, threatened his family, and lied to court (perjury).  Because the children and I were forced to leave the house, he kept our family home, purchased two more homes and wrote them off as "offices," and bought a $600,000.00 piece of property and claimed it as an educational facility.  I had no money and despite his $500,000+ a year income, I receive only $3000.00 a month (I pay the taxes because it's family support and it's non-modifiable).  As Kalman Barson, CPA/ABV, CFE, CFF, 30 years experience and author of the book: Divorce The Accountant as Financial Expert states, "There is no question, that the wives suffer greater than the husbands."  He even donated all the royalties of his book to aid women and children.  Thank you Mr. Barson, you have had more experience than most and realize the truth.

Loretta
Loretta

This article really ticks me off, if someone is going to comment on something like the current alimony laws in FL, at least do research and put the facts out there.  My boyfriend of two years was order to pay life time alimony seven years ago when it was his wife who left him.  Prior to dating him, I never knew of such laws and would never dream that in this day and time a law still exist like this.  It has nothing to do with being rich and getting away with anything in a failed marriage.  My boyfriend did not cheat, was not abusive, it was his ex that decided to reconnect with someone from her past prior to the 23 yrs of marriage.  I first hand have witnessed what this has done to this family, the grown children have no respect for their mother, are bitter toward her because they see her cohabitating with another man while their father works long exhausting hours to be able to pay 45% of his income to his her when she is pefectly capable of working, the ex's cant move on because they are connected for life due to these laws.  This family stays in an uproar because healing can't even take place due to what has been ordered due to these laws.  This mans was given a life time sentence and did not commit a crime and it was our legal system that did this to him.  He has no trust, no faith and this story is not out of the norm, check out the stories with FAR, it is heartbreaking to know this can happen. 

Matt Grace
Matt Grace

I was sentenced to permanent alimony when my ex also works. Just one quick thought. When my ex sued me for attorney fees on the day my first child came off child support. I told the courts that i wanted my freed up money to go to my daughters college education. The judges response was your daughter is of 18 years old and no longer your financial responsibility. My reply was that i no longer have to pay for an 18 year old with no job skills but have to pay for an 45 year old for life with job skills. He replied said that's the LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve C.
Steve C.

Alimony reform is so necessary it’s ridiculous! Don't buy into any headlines about rich or cheating men getting off easy or children getting abandoned financially.  The current laws affect EVERYBODY the same - rich, middle class, and poor alike.  Also, it affects young and old too.  It most cases, you'll see it’s not the rich that are suffering, but your neighbor, co-worker, or your friend!  The naysayers will say "protect the children," "rich, cheating men looking for a break!" etc... But the truth is that Alimony reform is necessary to protect the alimony-paying ex-spouse. First and foremost, alimony has nothing to do with child support. Child support is based on a strict formula based on the income disparity between the ex-couple, which includes alimony. However, alimony has no formula, no rationale, and strongly favors the recipient - especially if the ex-spouse receives permanent alimony. Think about it - "permanent" alimony! If the popular axiom is "nothing is permanent other than death and taxes", I guess they need to add alimony for some people. Alimony can be permanent and represents a complete windfall to the recipient - basically lifetime welfare. What’s worse is that permanent alimony, like welfare, acts as a deterrent for the recipient to better themselves!I personally know two men who are middle income earners (less than $100k per year), were married in their mid to late twenties, divorced in their early 40's, have college or older high school children, have ex-spouses that are able-bodied and college educated, yet are on the hook to pay alimony permanently. We are not talking about a “home-maker” ex-wives – were talking working ex-wives.  Even though my friends were both married less than 20 years and are taking care of the kids as they should, they will be paying alimony to their ex-wives potentially for the rest of their lives. Think about that for a second, they could be paying alimony for 20, 30, or even 40 years, without it ending. What’s worse is that their ex-wives can live with other men, but didn't get married, and that’s not enough to end the alimony. If you were the ex-spouse, what’s your incentive to be self sufficient or move on with your life? NONE!I understand that when you read a statement like “automatically ends when they retire” could imply that a person who gets divorced either when they are retired or near retirement will have it end and greatly benefit, but the real intent is the people, like my friends, who are in their 40’s and want to retire and not be burdened with alimony when they retire.

Jean Teresky
Jean Teresky

It s time the alimony laws in Florida are make fair.  Women  who divorce need to know they dont get permanent alimony for lifetime and live a  life of luxury and their ex s pay and pay and pay.  Is that fair?  Men commit sucide because their lives are forever ruined with Florida s alimony laws and lawyers know they can represent the ex wife and skin the ex husband and leave him penniless.  Change the alimomy laws.  When the marriage is over that means all ends and alimony should end too.

alimonyreform2011
alimonyreform2011

The playing field needs to be levelled........in the law there is the phrase the "need and the ability to pay"  well my boyfriends ex doesn't work, and she spends her whole day finding ways to file more lawsuits/contempt items against him.  And the best part he has the ability to pay and she has the need so he ends up paying for her attorney fees.  Why is the systems so broke here in florida?  Seems to me we are rewarding the ex who's not working and who clearly has no intention of working, do others have this same issue?  She received a large amount of money from the settlement, but still he's being held responsible to pay her attorney bills.

Roger Garramore
Roger Garramore

I am 69 years of age,married 19 yrs, divorced 28, paying alimony 28 yrs, exwife livedwith same man for 20+ yrs, Exwife has a good job with same co for 20+ yrs, with larger net worth, and income.

Is this a supportive relationship?

Your support of this Bill is appreciated,

Roger Garramore

FFGary
FFGary

To make a statement that all men cheat is more then crazy. I have been divorced for 6 years, married for 18 yrs, pay 2/3 of my firefighter pension to an x-wife (For Life) that holds a nursing degree, she works under the table and lives with a boyfriend who is a handyman who also works under the table and he loves the alimony I give her. The attrn costs are in excess of $100,000 on just my side and she has the best attornies that my money can buy.I have no incentive to work, because of permanent alimony I live a life of servitude, you my friend should try it. The bill HB549 has fixed alimony based on years of marriage and is more suited to reduce the attrn costs, like child support the bill  is based on earned income.By the way the adult children live with me and can't afford to be on there own and of course the ex-wife doesn't contribute 1 cent of there costs.It's a beautiful system we live in if you make less money then the other spouse, the court system has been flooded with modfication and will continue even under the new bill, but it will put light at the end of the tunnel and make EVERYONE more productive, but it will force the other spouse to go out and contribute to society not just the attornies.FF Gary

Jd412
Jd412

With a little research you would have discovered that many faithful husbands that supported lazy wives are paying lifetime alimony. I am the girlfrriend of such a man and will never be more as my income and assets could be used to increase his payments if she decides to go for a modification due to a life changing event. His ex wife not only cheated on him but lives with a boyfriend that she will never marry as it would end her free ride. With no money left for private detectives, lawyers and forensic accountants, we can never prove she co-habitates and shares expenses with her boyfriend.

When he lost his job earlier this year, she had no problem plunking down $3,500 to a high priced lawyer to file suit after only 2 1/2 months of non-payment. She left the marriage with half his retirement and assets, a $38,000 car paid for and no debts.He contacted her as soon as he lost his job to let her know he was searching for a new job and would catch up as soon as he was employed again but she was heartless. Due to the law suit, he ended up cashing out what was left of his retirement account to pay the arrears and hold him through this period of unemployment. After taxes, penalties for early withdrawal and both his and her attorney fees, it cost him $7,000 to pay her $4,200 in arrears. His new job pays $50,000 less a year than when they divorced five years ago. He is unable to modify as his lawyer talked him into a non-modifiable agreement. We live paycheck to paychech while she works and collects $1,750 a month for the rest of her life. He has no retiement account, no savings, huge credit card debt and can NEVER retire!

Not only did permenant alimony create a hostile relationship with his ex wife, it also created a strain on his relationship with his only dauther, she is 20 years old and in college. He has nothing left to help her with expenses which is very painful to him. She doesn't understand or believe that he is broke, her mother has poisoned her. They barely speak or see each other. He was not even invited to her high school graduation.

His ex-wife chose not to work or educate herself during the years she stayed home as a homemaker, she had a maid and rarely cooked or did laundry. When they divorced he paid half her tuition to attend massage therapy school, her choice. She was 50 and he was 52, now 5 years later she is letting him know that she won't be able to do that job much longer due to arthritis.Here comes the life changing event that will allow her to go for a modification. At this point the only thing that would end his alimony is his death, then she is entitled to his ssi benifits.Till death due us part only applies to alimony.

This new law will not let him off the hook as his marriage was over 20 years but we only hope that new divorcees and marriages with less than 20 years duration may see some relief.

tampa
tampa

For someone that is suppose to be inform is ignorant in their statement in understanding Florida alimony laws. My wife after 28 years decided to leave everything behind, debt, responsibilities has the ability to earn substantialy more but chooses not to now seeks a hefty alimony so she can vacation with her boyfriend. Even when she was arrested on domestic battry against myself. Because of the alimony laws and all that is ignored and the judge uses nothing but a formula created by uniformed law makers.

Russ42
Russ42

I've been paying my ex wife $3000 a month alimony for 16 years and will have to continue to pay her until one of us dies. only married for 15 years and by the way, she was the one cheating. i understand rehabilitating alimony and in my case would accept paying alimony for the amount of time we were married. but until one of us dies or if i can't pay she can put me in jail,that's unacceptable. no matter which side of this issue you are on, surely any reasonable person would have to see this as a problem in our law. alimony should not be viewed as a life style a spouse is entitled to for life. it is a mechanism by which the spouse can, for acceptable period of time, use to get acclimated  into living independently. i don't believe the intent of alimony was established as a retirement plan spouses. however,that is exactly what it has become.

Andyk0123
Andyk0123

 Mr. Munzenrieder, I can only assume you really know nothing about the alimony laws in Florida and the way the courts work in the area of alimony to write such a horribly uniformed article. The majority of alimony payors are not "rich dudes". Do you not believe in personal responsibility? While I do not advocate lifetime alimony, I do understand rehabilitative alimony for a period of time depending upon the circumstances. You must stuck in the the 1950's where women can't work and that they must be taken care of the rest of their lives. Wake up Mr Munzenreider. 

Indentured servent
Indentured servent

My ex-wife filed for divorce after she had several extra martial affairs. She said she wanted to get on with her life while she was still young and attractive. She was forty then. That was twelve years ago. She has been through four, two to three year, co habitating relations ships. All the while I pay permant alimony. The current laws enable people like this to behave as children, never having to be finacially responsible as all adults should be. I will never be able to retire under current laws. I am no more than an indentured servent. Walk a mile in my shoes Kyle, I know you be thinking differently.

Don Jennings
Don Jennings

I think you better do some homework. I am far from being wealthy and I have paid alimony to my ex for 11 years while her boyfriend has lived with her ever since I was kicked out of my house. I since re-married and paying mortgage on my existing house with my new wife and my  ex alimony which pays her mortgage. I do not have nothing left. My ex checked out the Florida laws before we moved from Cincinnati Ohio. She also had an affair with my twin brother which caused the divorce. Lifetime alimony will let my ex live very nice with her boyfriend her whole life while I struggle very day with my new wife.

Condemned
Condemned

Just like medical malpractice and auto accidents, the laws are in place because of strong lobbying by the attorneys who benefit.  We were finally able to push through pill shop laws, and its time to reform alimony laws. 

VIVIAN GUERRA
VIVIAN GUERRA

Rich men will not be off the hook as they will have to divide all their assets with their wives upon divorce, so that the wife will live a decent life.  Furthermore, there is temporary alimony that the wife could use to educate herself so that she will start earning money herself.  Throughout the courtship the wife to be had to realize what she was getting into.  This man cheated on her throughout the courtship.  Cheating is like an addiction.

My husband is without medical insurance because we cannot afford the $600 premium because of his alimony payment.  Last time we went to court for a modification, his ex-wife was making almost double what he was making. 

Viv

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yahoo-VO755UBEBLB33TBPPSBEZOKOLA

I think it's rediculous to think, just because he was divorced, now he wants alimony reform! Alimony should be to help the spouse get back on their feet, not a pennants for 10, 20 or even a lifetime of payments. Sometimes things need to be revised to the standards of society in the presence....not the 1950s!

Payor
Payor

What is "draconian" is the current alimony law in FL. No one, man or woman, should be forced into financial servitude for the remainder of there lives because a marriage failed - for any reason. If one spouse has the need and the other has the ability to pay, then durational alimony is certainly reasonable. There were no children involved in my marriage and my ex worked during the entire time - sometimes earning as much as $70K. Even though I didn't want or file for the divorce, I was required to settle ALL the debt, turn over 50% (which by the way I'm OK with) of all the retirement accounts that only I paid into, and still have a ridiculous PERMANENT alimony payment every month. I certainly see the fairness in a settlement which distributes the marital assets, but why should one party be required to share ALL future assets as well? I will be following HB549 very closely and writing every elected official I can to support its passage.

Frayedknot76
Frayedknot76

I pay permanent alimony to my ex wife.  We went to the same high school.   Graduted from the same college.   Moved to Florida.  She chose not to pursue a career.  I stayed in the marriage too long.    Mostly because of my three children.   After 20 years of a loveless marriage, I decided to get divorced.   My wife told me years before our divorce that she married me for my income potential.  I paid child support for two of the children.  She abandoned them and lived with her boyfriend while they were teenagers.  They had no adult supervision.   Threw under age drinking parties at the house.   She kicked them out of the house when they turned 18.  They no longer represented money to her.    They moved in with me.  She has been engaged to her boyfriend for 6 years and living with him.  She maintains the marital home.   Empty of belongings.   A wasted 4 bedroom brick house on a 1/4 acre lot.   She lives with her fiancee in a nice home with a pool.    I live in a two bedroom condo.   Pay her $1,250 a month in alimony.   I was told by my mediator that I had to pay permanent  alimony because I allowed her to under achieve.   The current laws have no teeth regarding cohabitation and permanent alimony.   Do a little research.   See how many cases you can find where alimony was reduced or terminated for cohabitation.   And by the way, the current law is a windfall for attorneys.   Fighting for modifications, etc is costly.    Do a little research and print an article based on the truth.    

Sync123
Sync123

This is complete shock journalism.  Florida is a no-fault state and adultery plays a negligible role in permanent alimony decisions, the deciding factor on permanent alimony is the length of the marriage and the desire of the system to equate income to both parities under the guise of the need to support the current lifestyle of the alimony asker and ability to pay from the larger wage earner (current law says the judge gets to decide how much money it takes to maintain a the current lifestyle and the ability to pay).  Within a long term marriage (17+ years) even if the wife cheated, had a college education and a good job, was in her earning prime, but was not the larger wage earner, she still is almost guarenteed of getting permanent alimony.  Current Florida law treats women as if they cannot earn and attain a comfortable lifestyle and must rely on men with permanent alimony payments.This is just not true and needs to be addressed with an updated divorce/alimony statute. Ending a long term marriage is hard enough without the prospect of suffering a lifetime of indentured servitude. 

ugottalaff
ugottalaff

This auther is so out of touch with the problem I can't believe that he even thought about writting an article about it.  Please go back and research your subject prior to updating this story.  You are an insult to newspapers.

Ken
Ken

Wow; does this author have it wrong!!  I am a male, but not a cheater or wealthy yet I have to pay a 46 year old college educated woman with two professional licenses and small business ownership and management skills, life time alimony to the tune of $2200 a month!!  If you were to read the Florida Alimony Statute 61.08 then read the judges comments about my exe in his ruling you would have to ask how the exe got alimony at all let alone permanent.  She walked away with a half million in retirement assets, will get half my military retirement and I will have the pleasure of paying her $435,000 in payments by the time I am required by law in my profession to retire.  I must fear any promotion or pay raise that will trigger the entitled to ask for more.  The system is SO BROKEN and outdated!  The feminist loves to speak of equality and a woman's right to chose but then turns a blind I to life time support from an ex spouse!! Thank GOD the Florida Alimony Reform organization is picking up the cause.  I never argued against some alimony for 5 years; plenty of time to figure things out; especially with my exe skill set.  Just like life time unemployment payments aren't provided (at least not yet), lifetime alimony does not encourage self sufficiency.  My exe has already had her Palm Beach sugar daddy move in (co-habitate) but try to prove that in court!!  The only folks who gain from the current system are the payee, lawyers and the state leaving the payor; me, on the cusp of bankruptcy with my home in foreclosure unable to help my son who is a freshman in college.  Mr. Munzenrieder needs to walk in my shoes before he paints with too wide a brush.  I will GLADLY show my documents to any objective media person.  I have five other men in my profession living in the area with equally troubling personal stories.

Odysseus42
Odysseus42

Wow! Two erroneous articles in two days. This journalist is just as misinformed at the one from the Orlando Sentinel. Biased and using a headline that is so very untrue that it makes my blood boil. Do you really think this is about rich men who cheat on their wives when only about 3% of people in this country are wealthy? It is about the everyday, hard working men and women who are forced to contribute to the support of a person they no longer want to be with, quite often putting them in the poor house and causing them to lose everything they have. In addition to that, they are put in the untenable position of never being able to retire because they have been ordered by the Florida courts to" pay or go to jail" It's pretty obvious that this article has the backing from divorce attorney's who stand to lose a lot of clients if this bill passes. You never know when you might become one of the Florida alimony payors. Your marriage might be great today and headed for divorce court the next. Florida needs to follow the footsteps of Massachusetts which passed sweeping alimony reform this year. Please support this bill and free alimony payors from the indentured servants they have been forced to become. Child support ends at 18, but under current law, alimony can be for life.

Praying for Alimony Reform
Praying for Alimony Reform

I was a man in my fifties. I was married to a woman who verbally abused me for over twenty years of marriage. I was on track to make over $200k. Lived in a private community in Boca Raton. It was never enough. She called the women at my company sluts and whores in front of our kids. All she could do was complain and tell me that my company was terrible. It was rated as one of the top 50 companies to work for, but again not enough. I went outside the marriage, a wrong way to go, but I'm human.

We divorced in 08'. I agreed to  large amount of permanent alimony. The ex immediately started breaking the agreement. The courts were a maze. All the judges do is yell at her. She cost us and the kids thousands of dollars additionally. I let it go, hoping things would settle. They haven't.

I lost my job in spring of 09'. I've tried to get alimony modified. No luck so far. I finally found another job, that pays a lot less, but there has been no mercy by the courts. The arrears are spiraling upward and I can only pray for help with alimony reform. People like this journalist don't have clue. I don't mind paying a fair amount, but to bury me financially for life is not a cure. At times I think of ending it all to stop the ride. But I will fight through this and this bill will pass. And the new law will help.

The ex made a statement that "I forced her to go to work." She has a college degree, most of our kids are grown, but she continues to look to hurt me and take a free ride. She was always been one to think that everyone owes her a living.

So enough of my sob story. Other people have it a lot worse. The law will pass in some shape or form. I will get some relief and maybe the ex will learn to be independent. May the bill pass!

Mark
Mark

Wow, somebody did not do their homework before writing this article! I was married for 23 yrs, there was no cheating or abuse on my part. Have been ordered to pay 45% of income for life.  I am just the average Joe with a job and live week to week.  This has destroyed the family even though our children are grown.  Since the divorce she has cohabitated with a man for the past four years and the prior three years cohabitated with a different man and I am still taking care of her, much less she won't try to take care of herself, why should she, she is now being taken care of by two men.    Thank You STATE OF FLORIDA FAMILY LAW AND MY EX FOR RUINING OUR FAMILY AND I FOR LIFE!                                                                                                                                                              look FAR

Guest
Guest

Florida is behind on Alimony reform and faces an uphill battle from all the Attorneys because they don't want it changed as this is the most litigated (financial) issue in a divorce. None of the laws listed in the statues need to be address in civil family court as the decision is reach by the Judges discretion only (loop hole). Florida is a no-fault state as Alimony is decided on a need basis. My Ex left me while I was at work for another man, since they don't work ( both found the same Doctor & Lawyer to get disability) after she filed for divorce, telling the court she can not work since getting SSDI from our government. That Doctor has since lost his license to  practice and her boyfriend has no chance of getting a job because of his convicted felonies, drug addition, driver license suspended for life and his long criminal record. She now has a criminal record.  This does not tell how bad the justice system is; there is no real justice, guidelines, perjury convictions or common sense used in family courts. It takes two to marry and one to divorce with no reason needed. Some marry for love and others for financial reasons. Vows said during marriage have no actual legal condition of the law. Marriage is not for family reasons, but financial responsibility for life.

Ken
Ken

Wow; does this author have it wrong!!  I am a male, but not a cheater or wealthy yet I have to pay a 46 year old college educated woman with two professional licenses and small business ownership and management skills, life time alimony to the tune of $2200 a month!!  If you were to read the Florida Alimony Statute 61.08 then read the judges comments about my exe in his ruling you would have to ask how the exe got alimony at all let alone permanent.  She walked away with a half million in retirement assets, will get half my military retirement and I will have the pleasure of paying her $435,000 in payments by the time I am required by law in my profession to retire.  I must fear any promotion or pay raise that will trigger the entitled to ask for more.  The system is SO BROKEN and outdated!  The feminist loves to speak of equality and a woman's right to chose but then turns a blind I to life time support from an ex spouse!! Thank GOD the Florida Alimony Reform organization is picking up the cause.  I never argued against some alimony for 5 years; plenty of time to figure things out; especially with my exe skill set.  Just like life time unemployment payments aren't provided (at least not yet), lifetime alimony does not encourage self sufficiency.  My exe has already had her Palm Beach sugar daddy move in (co-habitate) but try to prove that in court!!  The only folks who gain from the current system are the payee, lawyers and the state leaving the payor; me, on the cusp of bankruptcy with my home in foreclosure unable to help my son who is a freshman in college.  Mr. Munzenrieder needs to walk in my shoes before he paints with too wide a brush.  I will GLADLY show my documents to any objective media person.  I have five other men in my profession living in the area with equally troubling personal stories.

Talquinman
Talquinman

I paid alimony for 4 years to someone who left me for another person. It would have been a lifetime of payments had this person not gotten married again for three weeks. I am the lucky one even though the divorce set me back financially for 10 years due to legal bills I had to pay. Marriage should be like a contract, when it gets broken the person making more money should not have to pay for all the legal bills and then alimony for the rest of their lives. There should be an end just like child support. Alimony is like slavery you cannot retire early, change jobs and make less money etc. or the judge will impute income to you anyway and you will be held in contempt of court and jailed if you cannot pay the bills they say you owe to your x spouse. If people knew how screwed up our alimony laws are here in Florida they would never get married without a prenup.  You only find this out when it happens to you. As far as the cohabitation provision I was told by multiple attorneys that this was nearly impossible to prove and that most judges did not care unless the person he/she is cohabitating with was someone that was extremely wealthy. I have only heard of one person who used this with some success.  There are many alimony reform websites, read some of horror stories and decide for yourselves. Be afraid, be very afraid....

Dadzrites
Dadzrites

I thought involuntary servitude has been declared a federal felony under 18 U.S.C. Sections 1581 and 1589, nothwithstanding the fact that slavery was abolished by the Thirteenth Amendment of the US Constitution. 

See also the US Supreme Court case of Orr v. Orr, 440 U.S. 268, 279, 282-283 (1979)--In authorizing the imposition of alimony obligations on husbands, but not on wives, the Alabama statutory scheme "provides that different treatment be accorded . . . on the basis of . . . sex; it thus establishes a classification subject to scrutiny under the Equal Protection Clause," Reed v. 279*279 Reed, 404 U. S. 71, 75 (1971). The fact that the classification expressly discriminates against men rather than women does not protect it from scrutiny. Craig v. Boren, 429 U. S. 190 (1976). "To withstand scrutiny" under the Equal Protection Clause, " `classifications by gender must serve important governmental objectives and must be substantially related to achievement of those objectives.' " Califano v. Webster, 430 U. S. 313, 316-317 (1977). . . . Moreover, use of a gender classification actually produces perverse results in this case. As compared to a gender-neutral law placing alimony obligations on the spouse able to pay, the present Alabama statutes give an advantage only to the financially secure wife whose husband is in need. Although such a wife might have to pay alimony under a gender-neutral statute, the present statutes exempt her from that obligation. Thus, "[t]he [wives] who benefit from the disparate treatment are those who were . . . nondependent on their husbands,"

NoMoreMarxistsInDC
NoMoreMarxistsInDC

The comment "My initial take is that it's basically anti-woman and anti-alimony," from Richard West, past president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, is nothing more than the typical propaganda from left-wing Marxist pettifoggers who espouse communist redistribution of wealth schemes to the detriment of unsuspecting divorce litigants--who just happen to also be taxpayers and voters.

Alimony, like child support, is an aberration modeled after Soviet Family law that began as far back as 1919 and adopted by womens' bar associations and radical women's groups looking to be more equal than men.  Child support was adopted from Soviet Family law, Article 55 (now Russian Family law, Article 81) and made into the "Wisconsin Child support model" which about 1/3 of the states have adopted.  Each according to his ability, each according to his needs.  That's a favorite Marxism from Karl Marx and the communist crowd that now inhabits the White House and one-half of Congress, as well as most of the family court judiciary in this country.

melissa
melissa

finally a WOMAN who's been screwed over!  I hope there's more out there like you!  f

Jean Teresky
Jean Teresky

THAT MAY BE TRUE IN YOUR CASE BUT YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY.  THE MAJORITY OF CASES (DIVORCE) THE MEN PAY AND PAY AND DONT GET AWAY WITH WHAT YOUR EX HUSBAND DID.    HE HAD MONEY AND HE USED IT TO HIS BENEFIT TO GIVE YOU NOTHING. IN MOST CASES, READ ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY LIFETIME ALIMONY TO THEIR EX S WHO ARE FINANCIALLY COMFORTALBLE AND CAN NEVER RETIRE AND ALL THE OTHER CASES WHERE PEOPLE (MOSTLY MEN) CAN NEVER RETIRE AND ARE ARE FINANCIALLY PENNILESS AND HOMELESS.

Mary955
Mary955

sorry andyk, I disagree with your statement that women could not work in the 1950,s. I am a product of the 50's and women certainly could work and did. Many, many women worked and many carved out careers for themselves ( me included).  Many women worked during World War 2 and helped the war effort while the men fought overseas.  This "entitlement " idea started later when it seemed that many young women were brought up to become "gold diggers". Somehow it seems that personal responsibility went out the window and the idea of marrying a rich man came into being.  Now the idea  has trickled down to the "regular Joe". The idea is to just ".squeeze him for all he is worth" and the courts allow it. I know one man who cannot afford health insurance because 50% of what he makes goes for alimony payments.  His aging  parents paid his dental bill so that he would not lose his teeth.  Of course now there are women who are getting the same shaft.  It seems that the highest earner in the couple is being punished for working hard and the slacker is being rewarded with lifetime payments.. Does this make sense to anyone?? Certainly not to me and I say "hats off to Mr Workman" and any others that will join him in this mission to provide some sense in the florida family court system.

melissa
melissa

My husband's alimony to his ex was terminated for this new law.  She was forced shortly thereafter to get married...then a few years later....HE DIED!!! muwahahahahaha!!!!  Yep that's right,...I hate her and am glad for whatever woes she suffers.  Florida family law has created me!

Bapum1
Bapum1

I applaud your statement and hope you get more response.  Jean

Andyk0123
Andyk0123

Bea, I realize that women could and did work in the 1950's. I was using hyperbole to make the point that anyone thinking that women were not capable of taking care of themselves was a 1950's era thinking.

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