You Can Take Your Gun to Miami Parks and Government Buildings Beginning November 17

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Too scared to enter a City of Miami or Miami-Dade park or government building because you can't protect yourself by carrying a licensed concealed weapon? Well, you probably don't exist. But if you do, fear not -- beginning November 17, you'll be able to arm yourself in any park and government building you please.

The change in rules is the result of a law passed last legislative session. Since 1987, Florida has carried a law on the books saying that no local municipality can create ordinances pertaining to gun control that are stricter than state laws. 

That law carried no penalties, though, and was widely ignored, especially in urban areas such as Miami. Earlier this year, Gov. Rick Scott signed a new bill into law that penalizes cities for extra gun control ordinances. That law went into effect October 1, and cities and counties across the state rushed to repeal their local ordinances.

Except of course the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County. Earlier this week, Florida Carry, a gun rights group, threatened to file a lawsuit against the two municipalities.

"Miami continues to demand that parents have no means to protect themselves and their children in public parks," read the group's press release. "The city even goes so far as to demand that law abiding people disarm during locally declared emergencies.

"During emergencies, when police agencies are often overwhelmed, the right to defend yourself is CRITICAL! The City of Miami and Miami-Dade County have both declared they can take your rights away at their whim in parks and even after a disaster."

Now, Florida Carry claims it has been assured that both municipalities will drop their gun ordinances by November 17, so it has decided to drop the lawsuits.

"Moments before the cases were filed with the court, we received assurances from the Miami City Attorney's Office that their unlawful ordinances will be repealed on November 17th. Miami-Dade County has also agendaed a measure to repeal its gun control laws."

So Miamians will be able to carry their guns, as long as they have a concealed carry license, into government buildings and public parks. No Gun signs will be removed. Citizens will also not be required to disarm in the event of a disaster such as a hurricane.

The new law is the result of the NRA and other gun rights groups trying to condense power to make gun laws on the state level where they are better able to appeal to lawmakers from rural areas.

"I'm concerned about some deranged person who doesn't like what our government is doing coming in and shooting someone," Elaine H. Black of the Liberty City Trust told the Miami Herald earlier this year. "If I can go now into the Miami Riverside Center, the main operating office of Miami, or any municipal building -- and there's always someone who's walking into that door who's not happy with government. Maybe you put a lien on my property, and I think that's not right -- I can walk in with a gun and shoot you."

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Erik Asher
Erik Asher

"I'm concerned about some deranged person who doesn't like what our government is doing coming in and shooting someone," Elaine H. Black of the Liberty City Trust told the Miami Herald earlier this year. "If I can go now into the Miami Riverside Center, the main operating office of Miami, or any municipal building -- and there's always someone who's walking into that door who's not happy with government. Maybe you put a lien on my property, and I think that's not right -- I can walk in with a gun and shoot you." 

My response to that woman is:Well at least you have the right to carry your own gun to protect yourself since the police have no duty to protect an individual citizen. Get your license and take responsibility for your own protection.

Colorado_sailor
Colorado_sailor

Now lets just say that some idiot comes to the city of Miami government building, and lets just say that he has had a lein filed against his home, and lets just say, for argument, that he is carrying a gun and has every intention to use that gun in an unlawful manner, and lets just say that he cant read ( he went to public school in Miami say ) im curious do you REALLY believe that any sign is gonna stop some deranged lunatic from shooting the hell outta some place BECAUSE OF A SIGN !! Im thinking lady, that you are dumber than the idiot that cant read !!!!!!!!! give me a break.

Harper Apted
Harper Apted

You Elaine H. Black, are the type of person I worry about.  It is the people who believe violence is the answer that everyone will give when confronted with a challenge who are the ones to worry about.  You, ma'm, if you believe the answer to your proposed situation is to brandish a gun and commit murder, I would advise you not to carry a concealed weapon.

We, who do not resort to violence, shall carry and protect you when your like-minded co-horts come in to commit a felony.

Have a nice day!

@Mmedman5: hear hear.

Earnan
Earnan

More liberal whining.

Once again, you lose!

Notice that these same liberal assholes never accuse people of being "too scared" to drive without their seatbelt fastened, or "too scared" to cook dinner without a fire extinguisher under the sink, or "too scared" to leave CPR to "trained professionals" if grandma has a heart attack in the living room.

Darwin Teague
Darwin Teague

" I can walk in with a gun and shoot you." 

Never pass up a chance to make baseless claims of "blood in the streets."

litlebrotherc in TX
litlebrotherc in TX

Jorge I want an honest answer.  If you are in the park with your family and some punk decides to stick a gun in your face.  Which would you rather have?  A Police Officer who is 5 or minutes away or an armed citizen who is 20 feet away.  If you say what I think you're going to say, you are full of crap.  There are 3 kinds of people in this world. "Sheep"  "Wolves"  and "Sheep Dogs".  Jorge you are a "Sheep" your hope is that someone will protect you from harm.  The "Wolves" are the ones who prey on "Sheep" like you.  "Sheep Dogs" are the Police and people with the courage and commitment to protect their families and yes EVEN sheep like you. These are the people who are "Concealed Carriers". 

Bori #1
Bori #1

The Governor of Florida has a good brain and knows how to use common sense.No City or County Laws should override,State Laws.The citizens of this country and the State of Florida should be allow to defend themself anywhere within the State and where the Florida CCW permit is reconize.My advice to all Floridians to keep this guy in the State House for as lomg as possible,politicians like him don't come around that often.I wish we had Gov.Scott as governor in MASS.to change our nonsense guns laws.

Bori #1
Bori #1

We need this Governor for President ,so he can work on the National Right to Carry bill. With the proper background checks and finger prints that shouldn't be any problem. 

Marwan
Marwan

"I'm concerned about some deranged person who doesn't like what our government is doing coming in and shooting someone"

Really?  A sign on the door or a law on the books is going to prevent someone who is willing to actually shoot people??  Does she really think that simply making it illegal would prevent it?  Last time I looked, shooting people was already illegal.

glenn hamilton
glenn hamilton

Every CCW holder has a legal right to carry in the parks right now. You do not have to wait for the government officials to act. Any problem, sue the city, county, and take your cash to the bank!!!!

Devnull
Devnull

"I'm concerned about some deranged person who ... (blah blah blah)"

Reminds me of a good quote.  "To believe in gun control, you have to believe that (1) we must ban guns, because a deranged person could start shooting people at any time, and (2) anyone who would want to carry a gun to protect themselves against such a deranged person is worrying far too much about an absurdly unlikely event."

Sundog50
Sundog50

Author Kyle is showcasing his bias (and ignorance of the facts) with this statement:

"The new law is the result of the NRA and other gun rights groups trying to condense power to make gun laws on the state level where they are more able to appeal to lawmakers from rural areas."

Rich7553
Rich7553

Most of you commenters deserve a hearty pat on the back for your fact-based, insult free discussion of this topic. Congratulations! If you're not already members, please consider joining Florida Carry. http://www.floridacarry.org/in...

Sundog50
Sundog50

Elaine H. Black typifys the twisted reasoning of the left:

"I'm concerned about some deranged person who doesn't like what our government is doing coming in and shooting someone," Elaine H. Black of the Liberty City Trust told The Miami Herald earlier this year. "If I can go now into the Miami Riverside Center, the main operating office of Miami, or any municipal building -- and there's always someone who's walking into that door who's not happy with government. Maybe you put a lien on my property, and I think that's not right -- I can walk in with a gun and shoot you."

WHY does Elaine believe that someone bent on murder would obey a "no guns" ordinance?

dohopkey
dohopkey

if he is a criminal he may do it but he want have a license to carry . after you go thru all to get a license then you are not going to throw it away a another thing they should not do elegal things to make a criminal mad at them and they want be afraid . also if a criminal does come in they better be glad there is a armed citizen on board to help protect them

Ronald D. Weddle
Ronald D. Weddle

These idiots continue to equate law abiding citizens who have qualified for concealed carry permits with "some deranged person who doesn't like what our government is doing coming in and shooting someone."  When will they learn that it is NOT honest citizens exercising a Constitutionally protected RIGHT that they need to be concerned with?

AD_Rtr_OS
AD_Rtr_OS

When Miami was getting the reputation for Ground Zero in the Coke Wars, those carry restrictions didn't seem to prevent the many shoot-outs that occurred, did they?

Why are "community leaders" so Stuck On Stupid?

jorge
jorge

Read both sides and decide for yourself, I did and I've come to the conclusion that if you feel the need to strap on a gun wherever you go, then you're a fuckin' idiot and you're part of the problem. Have a nice day assholes.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfor...

stustrickler
stustrickler

Elaine, if someone wants to walk in with a gun and shoot you, do you really think a law or a sign is going to stop them? The only person who is responsible for your safety, is you! Maybe you should get a carry permit?

vman2003
vman2003

Great news for anyone who's not a criminal. Finally law-abiding citizens of Miami will be able to defend themselves should the need arise. I don't particularly like Rick Scott, but i give him kudos on this one.

OIFVet06
OIFVet06

Rich7553 already gave the actual numbers for the state of Florida to show that concealed carry works.  Below is his actual quote: 

[Quote] From 10/1/87, when shall-issue concealed carry became law in Florida through 10/31/11 (over 24 years), the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Licensing Division has issued 2,078,899 concealed weapon/firearm licenses. In all that time, only 168 have been revoked for a crime where a firearm was used. That comes out to less than 1 in 10,000. The last one occurred over three years ago. [/Quote]

Below is why it works in the rest of the country.  Remember too, Florida led the way in the sweeping concealed carry reforms in America since 1987:

Today, 40 states have provisions for "shall issue" concealed carry permits, and 4 states simply allow law abiding citizens to carry without a permit.  Finally, five less enlightened states, offer the more arbitrary and unworkable "may issue" provision where only the politically connected are allowed to defend themselves.

In the "shall issue" and "unrestricted" states, according to the U.S. Department of Justice studies through their own National Institute of Justice /Bureau of Justice Statistics, and the FBI Uniform Crime Report, every year for the last two decades, there are fewer violent crimes and fewer gun accidents where law abiding citizens are allowed to keep and bear arms.  Essentially, according to NIJ/BJS and the FBI, more guns = less crime.  Naturally, the rates of decreasing violent crime and gun accidents vary according to the length of time a "shall issue" or "unrestricted" state had concealed carry in place and the percentage of citizens who choose to exercise the option.  Another factor is the number of dangerous and so-called “gun free zones” like colleges and universities, parks and government properties, where violent criminals can still operate with impunity.  Regardless, the declining violent crime and declining gun accidents more than just correlate to the "shall issue" and "unrestricted" policies of those states.  There is a definite causal effect to more guns and less crime.     

Just as the DOJ, NIJ/BJS, and the FBI are the hallmarks in research and statistics credibility, there are still politically motivated and tenacious entities like the Brady Campaign to Prevent Handgun Violence (formally Handgun Control, Inc.), the oddly named Violence Policy Center, and Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Handguns that shamelessly cite discredited studies, or simply pull numbers out of thin air in order to craft bogus arguments to stand in the way of continuing reforms.  One of those reforms will soon allow citizens who can legally conceal in their home states to do so in other states as well.  The right to keep and bear arms across state lines is a fundamental right.  No state has the right to impose states rights to usurp the 2nd Amendment.   

It is safe to say that gun control in America was a serious and chronic failure.  It is rightfully about to die.  It’s time to bury it where it falls and move forward.  Never again should the lives of citizens be endangered by criminals and tyrannical government on the altar of gun control.

MikeCumpston
MikeCumpston

Somebody should reassure the upset government employee that, even though licensed carry is not illegal in government offices, It is STILL illegal to shoot government employees.  It has always been easy to bump off governement employees as people bent on doing so are generally willing to ignore signs barring guns from the premises.

concerned american
concerned american

To all"People kill people!Guns, cars, airplanes are just tools.

A deranged person doesn't need permision nor does he cares about the law.  He will simply commit murder. He may use a gun, a car, a plane, etc.

Let's be honest here.

Geflaw
Geflaw

Elain blacks comment is ridiculous. If someone wanted to do that now with the old law they could. However now there may be someone there to stop that disgruntled person. Also, coming from liberty city, dont they already all carry guns in their parks? The repeal of the law will serve to give lsw abiding citizens the right tp protection.

L17650
L17650

If I carry a gun in a park it's not to harm anyone it's to keep someone from harming me

Drroto2
Drroto2

An armed society is a polite society....now maybe countyworkers won’t think they are gods and will act like people and do their publicservice

MooMah
MooMah

"Elaine H. Black of the Liberty City" ..... Doesn't sound made up at all... lol

BenK
BenK

I think that Ms. Black is implying that it is now going to be legal to shoot government workers. While I can agree that people can be angry, the chance of that is limited. As for the comment by Jorge that it will be more dangerous- do you think that the people who are going to shoot guns at a park left their guns at home as a result of the old laws? This compliance with state law will allow law abiding people- licensed- their 2nd Amendment rights, which may cut the risk of a bad guy, who probably was already carrying illegally, anyway.

Earnan
Earnan

Well, yeah.

But it's not double-bad illegal.

If we make it more illegal we'll send a message or something.  Won't someone think of the children!?

Sir Sausage
Sir Sausage

What else do you expect when you give a "very liberal" journalist a keyboard and a paycheck?  Nothing but extremely biased liberal ball gargling.

krashman
krashman

Looks like Jorge is a little mad because he lost the debate. I'll see you in Miami with my Sig stapped to my side.

Trucker Dan
Trucker Dan

I have to say, the prohibition of carried firearms was just about as successful as the prohibition on alcohol was back in the '20s and as the ongoing war on drugs. Simply put, criminals don't obey laws: they murder despite there being a law against that, rape despite a law against that, and rob despite robbery also being illegal. Guess what? They also carry guns despite those laws. Duh, they're criminals, that's what they do.

We need to quit assuming that everyone thinks the same way as us. We're all good folks on here, and regardless of our differing viewpoints I doubt any of us would open fire on another. Criminals, on the other hand, just don't think that way. They have no qualms whatsoever taking out 20 innocent victims over a five dollar crack rock, or whatever it is they're trying to steal tonight.

Accordingly, I have no qualms putting five or so hollowpoints through their chest, should the need ever arise.

David
David

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." That's the entire quote by Robert Heinlein. He also said "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

jorge
jorge

I don't agree. I think that allowing "law-abiding" people to carry guns in public places will only make things worse. It won't "cut" any "risk" at all, it will only ADD more guns in the public sphere and INCREASE the chances that there will be a shootout and innocent people will get hurt. I mean think about it for a moment; let's say you get robbed at gunpoint (an obviously unpleasant and terrifying experience), most criminals just want you to give them your money, jewelry, whatever. Chances are they don't want to hurt you OR shoot you. Mind you, IM NOT EXCUSING criminals, but what I AM saying is that if YOU have a gun and you decide you want to thwart this guy from robbing you, what exactly are you going to do? Just pull out your piece and start shooting like you're the fastest gun in the West? That just doesn't make ANY sense. Chances are, you will not only get yourself killed, but you will kill someone else, most likely an innocent person who's nearby. Is it worth it? Getting robbed sucks, crime sucks in general, but it exists and we have to find the right solutions; giving people the right to carry guns in public is not the right solution. It will only worsen the problem.

RobB
RobB

These are good too. Unfortunately, while they are both quoted frequently I can't find either one in it's original source or context. But they sound good.

"...it is a base thing to look to others for your defense instead of depending upon yourself. That defense alone is effectual, sure, and durable which depends upon yourself and your own valor."-Niccolo Machiavelli

"Before all else, be armed."-Niccolo Machiavelli

MTOakey
MTOakey

assholish thinking...

Oldshooter
Oldshooter

Jorge, I certainly respect your right to express your opinion on this matter.  I believe everyone has a right to express their opinion, even if it is wrong, and unfortunately, your opinion is wrong.  Actually, this is no longer a matter of opinion, any more than whether or not the Earth is flat is a matter of opinion.  I realize that you may not have had time to look at the research, but, except among those uninformed about the issue, it is now a matter of recognized fact.  Your opinion was a reasonable belief in the mid-1980s, but we now KNOW what happens when there are more guns available in public.  What happens is that violent crime decreases.  There is a great deal of scholarly research data now available that clearly and unequivocally shows this; however, consider this simple fact:  If you were correct, there should have been a significant rise in people, both concealed carry licensees and innocent bystanders (according to your logic), getting shot or killed after more people started carrying guns for self-defense.  That has not happened; in fact, quite the opposite occured.  In the 20-plus years since hundreds of thousands of people in FL (as well as numerous people in other states) started carrying concealed handguns, the rate of shootings has actually dropped significantly, less people are getting shot, not more, and violent crime overall, has also dropped significantly.  Except for gang-related shootings, and to a lesser extent, police shootings (neither of which includes CCW license holders), the incidence of innocent bystanders getting shot is so low it is statistically indistinguishable from zero.  Further, this has happened all over the country in all types of states (both primarily urban and primarily rural).  Currently more Americans own guns than have for several decades (meaning there are now many more guns available to the general public than before), yet the violent crime rate is lower than it has been since the 1960s and is still dropping (at least in states that allow concealed carry).  It is now an established fact that, no matter how illogical it may seem, when we add more guns, IN THE HANDS OF RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS (like those who obtain concealed carry licenses), to the public sphere, violent crime drops significantly and neither accidental shootings nor armed citizen injuries or deaths increase. 

OIFVet06
OIFVet06

Jorge, your assumtions are not supported by a quarter century of university studies commissioned by the U.S. Department of Justice's comprehensive National Institute of Justice /Bureau of Justice Statistics, or the seperately compiled statistics of the FBI Uniform Crime Report which is published every year.  NIJ/BJS and the FBI /UCR is easily retrievable and seen on Goggle.  Just cut and paste them.  They will give you the year-by-year breakdown by state and the type of homicide (i.e. justifiable, negligent, criminal, type of firearm, other weapons, etc).  Almost every detail is covered.  When I was in state law enforcement for 17 years, we used these publications to determine budgets, officer training, and departmental policies.  The presence of armed law abiding citizens deters crime.  Reveiw the Florida stats from Rich 7553, and the posting that I made earlier.  Granted, what I posted is long, but it puts everything in perspective.

old52flyer
old52flyer

Let me guess....you also voted for Obama?

Look son, guns don't kill people, people kill people and if a deranged gun totting character walks into a public place to commit a crime, I want to be able to defend myself and those around me.  People who hold carry permits go through a training session, and most of us have prior military experience, we are not out to commit crimes.  Prohibiting us from carrying is not going to stop criminals from doing their "job".

Uscalvary
Uscalvary

Tell that to that couple who were robbed at gun point at the gas station in miami. He gave up his wallet etc, no problem, but the the gunman shot him because: "he didnt look scared enough".  The gunman then shot and killed his wife. My Colt would have prevented that( along with staying aware of whats going on around you).

Jaime Shizzle
Jaime Shizzle

Everything you write is pure speculation. 

It is not scientific. It is not statistical. It is not logical.

How about you provide a survey of all the cities with the loosest gun laws and compare those crime rates with the cities with the highest gun laws? 

Oldshooter
Oldshooter

Jorge, You can vote for him twice, man!  The next election is coming up in a year.  And don't worry that you couldn't vote for him twice the first time around.  Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and a number of dead folks covered for you there! 

jorge
jorge

Obama is the best president we've had in decades. I only wish I could have voted for him twice.

hipshot
hipshot

"God  created man, but it was Sam Colt who made us equal." I carry a gun because I'm disabled and am to old to take an Ass whipping.

jorge
jorge

I guess you didn't read the part where I said "most". It's disturbing that most people here think violence and more guns in public's is the answer to our problems.

Earnan
Earnan

Jorge, you are one stupid motherfucker.

Ignorant?  No...  Ignorance can be cured with research and education.

You're positive that you're right, despite the complete lack of any evidence.  And rather than educate yourself with troubling facts, you whine like a little bitch about how mean people are for not unquestioningly accepting your ignorant bullshit as the revealed word of God.

Your "humble opinion" isn't worth one steaming dog turd.

JRR
JRR

 Unfortunately, your instinct and common sense are not based on facts. What if I said that since crime in latin-american countries is so high, that you being Hispanic, by supposed common sense then that implies that you are most likely to be a criminal? Doesn't seem nice now does it? I am Hispanic by the way, and I too am named Jorge.That is what all gun control groups say, and throughout history this has been incorrect. They always claim that everything will all of a sudden be a shootout like in the wild west movies, and yet throughout the nation, the exact opposite has happened. Violent crime and murder rates have dropped nationwide, especially where concealed carry laws are allowed. Violent crime and murder rates have consistently been much higher per capita en cities where there are bans as well as in gun-free zones. You say you are not a statistician, and imply that because of that you are able to make baseless accusations about a serious issue, and you go on to insult the previous poster, who in no way mocked you or insulted you. He merely asked that you back up your claim and even suggested what you needed to search in order to find out the statistics. It's really simple. I am no statistician, and yet I researched the subject before coming to any judgments about the issue, and I do so for every issue. You can search the FBI crime statistics among other sources. You even go on to say below that it is disturbing to believe that more violence and guns will answer our problems. We do not advocate violence. Criminals are the ones who commit violence. We do not advocate that everyone carry a gun and shoot at will. If you did not know, less than half of 1 percent of concealed carry permit holders commit a crime. We only advocate that we be given the chance to defend ourselves if it becomes necessary. Another statistic you should know is that in 94% of crimes deterred by a concealed carry permit holder, not one bullet needed to be fired. That shows that law abiding citizens do not tend to use violence to solve their problems.

Sir Sausage
Sir Sausage

When someone resorts to insults when arguing your point, that's when you know you have them beat.

Rich7553
Rich7553

Then I'll give you the statistics jorge. From 10/1/87, when shall-issue concealed carry became law in Florida through 10/31/11 (over 24 years), the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Licensing Division has issued 2,078,899 concealed weapon/firearm licenses. In all that time, only 168 have been revoked for a crime where a firearm was used. That comes out to less than 1 in 10,000. The last one occurred over three years ago.

Your instinct and common sense fail under scrutiny. You would be better served doing the actual research.

old52flyer
old52flyer

"Instinct and common sense".....yep, the least common of all senses.

jorge
jorge

Apparently learning your own language was a waste of time for you.

jorge
jorge

Thanks for proving my point dickhead.

Drroto2
Drroto2

un educated opiion is a waste of breath and time reading..if you dont know the statistics then dont make stupid comments..wich are wholy unconstitutional //learn how the democracy you are hiding in works.. before you drag it down like your lost homeland

Mike Vidal
Mike Vidal

Jorge:

Educate yourself.  Here is a link to a pdf you can download that will give you more numbers and stats to prove that LEGALLY Armed Citizens are not brazen shooters.  It is the miscreants and nut cases, and that is what I need to protect myself from.

http://www.gunfacts.info/

jorge
jorge

As opposed to what you've written on here? Are you kidding? Im not a statistician dude. Are you? You expect me to research this? I'm just giving my humble opinion based on Instinct and common sense in order to balance your mocking tone and full of shit remarks... Jackass.

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