It's Time for Another National Black Boycott of Miami Beach

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Alex Izaguirre
Uncle Luke, the man whose booty-shaking madness made the U.S. Supreme Court stand up for free speech, gets as nasty as he wants to be for Miami New Times. Today, Luke is outraged over the treatment of African-Americans in Miami Beach.

Once again Miami Beach did a helluva of a job making sure African Americans don't feel welcome in the city. For the second straight year, the city's police department turned South Beach into a militarized zone to handle the 300,000-plus predominantly black visitors who come down for Memorial Day Weekend. With the help of the Miami-Dade Police Department, they installed cameras throughout the city, 62 light towers, three watch towers, and barricades along the sidewalks of Washington and Collins Avenues. Roughly 400 officers from multiple agencies were deployed to keep the crowds in check.

I was down there myself and saw three young black men riding mopeds get pulled over for no reason. A 14-year-old boy holding a puppy was put in a chokehold in Haulover Park by a Miami-Dade cop for allegedly giving him "dehumanizing stares." And the cops put 414 people in jail. That is more than double the number of arrests made over the two weekends of Ultra Music Festival earlier this year.

It's not because Memorial Day weekend revelers are rowdier than the ravers who descend on Miami Beach for Miami Music Week. It's because there are more police on the street bent on locking people up for insignificant crimes that are ignored except during the last weekend in May.

All these measures are designed to make African-Americans feel uncomfortable so they don't come back next year. Hell, I felt more welcome in the city when I was a kid going to school at Fienberg Fisher Elementary and Miami Beach Senior High. Back then, African Americans had to leave Miami Beach by sundown.

Miami Beach Mayor Matti Bower, along with Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez and the African-American county commissioners should be ashamed of themselves for condoning the police department's Memorial Day weekend military operation. Black activists and elected officials should be outraged. They should be calling for another national boycott of the city like they did in 1991 when local Anglo and Cuban-American leaders snubbed Nelson Mandela. Every black politician from Congresswoman Fredrica Wilson to county commissioners Audrey Edmonson, Barbara Jordan, Dennis Moss, and Jean Monestime should demand the U.S. Justice Department come down and investigate the city for violating people's civil rights.

Instead, they all sit back and say nothing when Miami Beach goes to County Hall asking for in-kind police services and support. Taxpayers should not foot the bill to racially profile people who are coming down here to have a good time just like the crowds that come to Miami Beach for Miami Music Week, the South Beach Wine & Food Festival, and the international boat show.

I guess the only way to get these politicians to do something about it is by hiring high-powered lobbyist Ron Book to tell them they need to be upset. That's the only way things get done around here.

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kingrobethe1st
kingrobethe1st

boycott is not the solution. The solution is to have millions come on memorial day

JaMookus
JaMookus

Luke's call for "another" boycott made me a bit curious as to how the previous National Black Boycott(s) of Miami Beach worked out?

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

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and LASTLY, why were ONLY the troublemakers at BLACK URBAN BEACH WEEK ? ?................ because basically, NO self-respecting, financially successful and socially responsible BLACK person would be caught dead there during that "party"...............so that only leaves the other end of the spectrum;  the anti-social, economically needy, bottom-feeder, who lives off of government assistance, food stamps, section 8 housing and welfare, unemployed and being uneducated and unskilled, simply unemployable, so has plenty of extra time on hand to irresponsibly goof around without worrying about the cost to society they are or the tainted perception they enforce of lack of community concern for their own people

O R E Os don't do URBAN WEEKENDs

just sayin

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

as for the MAIN reason the controvery exists - right or wrong WHITE people can see the utter disregard and disrespect for URBAN BUS station and terminal locations that are total PIG STYs (and these locations are used by predominately BLACK riders) - these are PUBLIC spaces to be utilized by ALL citizens..............HOWEVER a few ruin it for ALL

okay by me if people want to live that way and create their own cycle of trash, roaches, flies, smells, more trash and so on, which they themselves have to transverse every day, okay call them the BAD blacks that create this mess

HERE IS MY MAIN POINT - i never have seen any GOOD blacks volunteering to clean up this mess

WHATs the MESSAGE ?  once BLACKs come in some will make a mess YET none will clean it up

now are these the people YOU want in YOUR community ?

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

i think it comes down to this - why should a WHITE enclave host a BLACK URBAN WEEK ?

i think BLACK people want to make a statement and STICK IT TO the white man by insisting on their right to bring their essence

i also think BLACK people have NO IDEA exactly HOW to do this - checkmate

years ago before video and iphones a person could perpetrate a fiction and the widespread perception would be that a wrong was done and a black person was unjustly harmed (ie TAWANA BRAWLEY)

the problem today is this VISUAL data flies around the network and we ALL can see IN REAL TIME what the REAL DEAL is and decide the narrative before a sharpton or jackson shows up to give their spin on the scene

IF I WERE BLACK and wanted to make a point i would steal a few FRESH AIR FUND buses load em up with brothers and head out, unannounced and uninvited, to P DIDDYs place in south hampton scheduling my arrival at about 3AM, and set up boom-boxes and bar-b-ques all along country road estates and also right on the hampton's beach

blaming the police for an comparative increased presence over and above the FOOD and WINE Festival is stupid and anyway the cops are the experts so let THEM decide what to do = period

AlecTW
AlecTW

I am so glad that the people on this comment section think Blacks should go back to Africa or the ones that come here are bottom feeders. I will not even try to tell you that the black people that come here are not rowdy and sometimes obnoxious. However that's all freaking tourists everywhere! When the raver kids come in their blindingly neon outfits and drugged out of their minds, there are some police. When the obnoxious and annoying Food & Wine Festival people come and clog the roads because they can't read a map and take all the parking spaces while stumbling into the street like drunken idiots, there are virtually no police. When the black people are coming into town let's mobilize every police unit, security force, and state troopers in the area because we all know black people are this close to being terrorists because no one wants to see their black skin on their precious South Beach. I have seen all sorts of ignorant people here in all different colors. What I saw this weekend was overkill of the highest variety and a city of individuals that is ok with their tax dollars being used like this. There's a park I walk through that is always cloaked in darkness but this previous week, they decided to light it up because of "the black people." On top of this, the city has signs saying that they are not allowed to go in certain neighborhoods. Now I wonder what that sounds like? I want to know how long the city thinks it would get away with telling the "other" tourists that come here that. Call it whatever you want but I'm calling it like I see it.

erikace
erikace

wow go ahead and boycot SOBE Luke we will be better off! and dont get your beach sandels get cought on the door on your way out!

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

uncle luke,

maybe you are just hanging out with too many WHITE people because the BLACK people i talked to say they already DO avoid BLACK URBAN weekend since it is only trouble

the problem for them is they cannot say it PUBLICLY that those that attend are generally bottom-feeders who are looking to make a noticably statement about being BLACK - like expecting the spotlight and ready to do something anti-social ( kind of like a pre-meditated WOODSTOCK )

TO A PERSON, no responsible and educated BLACK would spend more than they should, especailly NOT go further into credit-card DEBT,  nor purposely act and behave in a NEGATIVE manner designed to attract attention, as either or BOTH only really just hurt themselves the poor get poorer and the unskilled and unemployable prove they have no skills)

basically NO self-respecting financially succesful and responsible BLACK person would be caught dead there - just sayin

flamengo1265
flamengo1265

I gotta agree with Uncle Luke this time....I think blacks should boycott Miami Beach.  They should boycott all of Miami-Dade County.  I also think that Miami Beach did the right thing with the overbearing police presence, otherwise it would have been Worldstarhiphop.com video weekend.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

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i guess people who attend TIMES SQUARE on new years rockin eve should ALSO boycott NYC that evening because no where is NYC police presence MORE penetrating and over-bearing than during that annual event - but yet people go precisely because they feel somewhat SAFE because of all the police attention and restrictions ! )

marvin.20064
marvin.20064

The ambiance of Zuri beach resort is good, the lush green space makes you feel relaxed. You just want to be forgetting everything of your busy schedule and enjoy the peace you get. The swimming pool is excellent with almost all the facilities.

http://www.thezurihotels.com/goa/


frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

well. UNCLE LUKE .........whooop there it is..........take YOUR URBAN WEEKEND someplace else, maybe a place actually with a BLACK history and culture and community..........JUST stay OUT of SOBE

maxdugan26
maxdugan26

An ideal Florida location for the Urban Beach Weekend mating festival is St. Augustine, Florida. The visitors can down and dirty in the historic Fort Mose State Park. This was a very important all Black oceanside community. The town is rich in black history. http://www.floridastateparks.org/fortmose/

St. Augustine has plenty of hotels, restaurants, and beautiful beaches. It is the ideal location for the Urban Beach Week mating festival.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

looking at a solution i see on the map that AFRICA has miles and miles and miles of BEACH - so why wouldn't a BLACK person want to party in a KEEPIN IT REAL style somewhere over there ?

OCTOBERFEST a german and anyone wanting to participate, goes to germany (Oktoberfest is a 16-day festival celebrating beer held annually in Munich, Bavaria , Germany, running from late September to the first weekend in October)

CARNIVALE an italian and anyone wanting to participate goes to italy (The carnival in Venice was first recorded in 1268.)

ST PATRICKs DAY everyone becomes IRISH for a day everywhere and celecrates what is typically known as a religious miracle

what's so BLACK about SOBE anyhow ? ? ? very few BLACKs actually LIVE there, and very little, if any, BLACK culture or history or connection there..............so why would a BLACK person see SOBE as a place to gravitate to, to party as an URBAN BLACK platform ? ? ? ...............isn't there any BLACK communities that could host this thing and celebrate it as a true BLACK event ? ? ?

and IF as in URBAN many come from NY, why not go to JONES BEACH on LONG ISLAND or CONEY ISLAND BEACH in brooklyn ? ? ?...........further out MONTAUK is about as beautiful a beach there is on the whole eastern coast, WHY NOT go there ? ? ?

just sayin

valzero94
valzero94

Please do boycott Miami Beach! I have not been able to take a date to south beach in a long weekend for years. People punching each other on the  street. Dressed like they are going to the gym at 2 am. Screams everywhere and just all around uncoolness non-stop. I would like to have sobe as an option again in my life, I live right next to it and I am forced to not enjoy it. Not everything is bad, I got offered a bj for $30, did not take it but I do appreciate the savings!

P.S. The police is not nice to me either since I am of the not American white persuasion, but that I can deal with. Do boycott!

maxdugan26
maxdugan26

We (the taxpayers) pay the police to protect us and enforce our laws. The police don't care if you are black, white, or green with yellow and orange pokadots. Their job is to keep the peace and to preserve order. The days of Jim Crow are long gone.

The methods used by the MBPD during UBW are outstanding. The overhead cameras can spot pick-pockets working the crowd or a mob of young roosters having a pissing contest. If black people can't handle the security then they can move their mating festival to South Padre Island, Texas or to Panama City Beach, Florida.

I'm from New York City and I have seen what a mass street brawl looks like. Ocean Drive is my home. I welcome vistors, not provocatuers and street thugs who are looking for trouble. 

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

in actuality the difference in the way WHITE people and BLACK people interact with the POLICE was already covered by RICHARD PRYOR some many years ago - yet it seems the message hasn't gotten to some BLACKs that WHITE people want the POLICE around doing their J O B s and that includes frequent and common interactions under the premise that IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE then you don't have to be concerned when stopped = period

otherwise remember who PAYS these POLICE salaries, some of which go into the mid-six figures annually, and there you will have your answer as to the extent of "military" response

diestro_22
diestro_22

Uncle Luke, actually the party revelers should boycot the entire weekend.  Don't come to Miami Bch.  When your political leaders fail you, take your own initiative ... Don't come!  They don't come ... No hotel room bookings .... No "bed tax" revenue.  People need to remember their history and know the history of the places they visit ... They need to stop and realise "what time it is".   (Come 6pm all blacks had head back mainland and before that ... An ID to cross over the bridge ... Prove a reason for being there?) Esp, young educated black people instead of lock step ... Mindless sheep just to shake booty and party!!

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@kingrobethe1st 

i agree and generally boycotts aren't the "solution" but it was the response by a number of BLACK entertainers once the ZIMMERman verdict was announced (of course none of them including KANYE WEST and JAY-Z followed through) to boycott ALL florida

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

July 21, 2004. FILE: A crazed fan has allegedly broken into this East Hamptons mansion belonging to P. Diddy - where he gained entrance through an unlocked basement door. Quamine Taylor, 30, reportedly spend 24 hours in the rap mogul's mansion where he ate his food and wore his clothes while Diddy, real name Sean Combs, was away from his residence

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@moltophotos 


and WHY don't more BLACKs attend the FOOD and WINE Festival ? if they have ALL this DISPOSABLE income to spend........WHY not try a fine wine and good food ?

MAYBE just MAYBE these BLACK people will see what its all about and LIKE IT themselves ................ and give up on URBAN BLACK WEEK

oh yeah, but,  that would be an admission to being an O R E O - right ?

it seems BLACK people want to make a statement but just don't know how to do it


frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@moltophotos 

sorry BUT i'm calling BS on your post

a significant amount of CRIME is BLACK on BLACK according to FBI statistics SO it makes perfect sense to LEOs who are the experts to step-up enforcement during URBAN BLACK WEEK, as far as a community policing issue goes

but that's is NOT the real issue which is BLACKs want to "stick it to white people" by invading white enclaves KNOWing full well they will attract attention - they WANT to attract attention...............THAT IS WHY they do not go to BLACK neighborhoods to have this party, and support THOSE black communities, and to be among one's OWN people

WHY ELSE would someone go where they CANNOT AFFORD it ...............and otherwise are NOT welcomed .....do BLACK people have such DISPOSABLE INCOME and can spend such money so indiscriminately ?  and WHY NOT spend it in a BLACK community ?

sorry, BUT making a statement is what this is all about, and WE ALL know it = period



maxdugan26
maxdugan26

@frankd4 And this too Uncle Luke.......don't let the door hit you on the way out!

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

that's what i'm talkin about - exactly !

let a BLACK community host this party the way it should be and then whatever happens happens TO black people BY black people FOR black people - good and or bad = period

and if it turns out financially successful,  then a BLACK community will have reaped all the benefits, which it could then use for local community and visitors could go home knowing they had fun and simultaneously helped their own people

imagine if the cubans celebrated CINCO de MAYO in AMISH country in pennsylvania ? ! ?

maxdugan26
maxdugan26

@frankd4 I agree. The festival venue should be moved to an all black community.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

this is exactly WHY i suggest the party MOVE to a location WITHIN an already predominantly BLACK neighborhood ;

1)it KEEPs it REAL

2)it supports a community that can most likely USE the support

3)BLACKs can do their OWN thing on their OWN terms in their OWN hood and

4)they can provide their own SECURITY to whatever extent necessary (determined by THAT BLACK community)

kirkslade1
kirkslade1 topcommenter

@frankd4 @moltophotos Your last sentence is a home run! I was in L.A. for the the Rodney King riots. It was a statement to go looting and "Obtain". Around the same time, give or take a year, the gay community was upset. I don't remember the particulars, but a law was passed or wasn't passed that the gay community felt was against them. Instead of rioting, they spent the next year getting petitions signed and getting the word out. The next year they legally got what they wanted and the city was on their side. The law was overturned or passed in their favor. I am heterosexual male that sided with them because they were organized, intelligent, focused, and likable. Black Beach Weekend is none of that! It is the polar opposite. If the "White Man" is making the laws, doesn't make sense to play by the his rules, gain power, and then do what you want? No one is going to side with fat tatted people, with sugary drinks, butchered English, ugly cars that have kicking radios driven by people that don't change the oil! 

AlecTW
AlecTW

Yes you are so very correct because we all know how many "black" communities here are on the beach. We all know how many swimming pools are in Overtown. I mean since the whole entire beach is owned by white people why should the blacks go there? Tell me, do you have a sliding scale that you judge all black people on? On whether they should be allowed to come into your universe? You said that this is about making a statement and you are correct. The statement is that most black people would like to go to the beach and not be called ghetto, ratchet, or automatically assumed to be criminals. I never said that police were not necessary. It's Miami, of course they are. The sheer amount of police that were in force is what was ridiculous. I work somewhere that had a full security team, police, and state troopers wandering through. For what purpose? Is there a sudden influx of black people committing armed robberies that can take out whole security teams? I mean the message is clear that these people don't want them here because the only black people that need to be on South Beach are the ones working there,

right? Since you brought up crime statistics, I looked them up. The chances of being a victim in MB is 1 in 100 on a normal day. We have a high rate of crime compared to the national average. I will admit that I cannot find data for that specific weekend but my point is that it isn't that safe around here anyway. On a national scale black people only make up 12 percent of the population and according to the Burea Of Justice Statistics blacks have a rate 77% of black on black crime followed by whites at a 69% of white on white crime. Your statement about the monetary amount that black people have or spend cannot possibly be answered by me as I have not been briefed at the meeting this week. I agree with you on another point though, black people should stop spending money at these establishments that clearly don't want them there. All black people not just the "bad" ones.

diestro_22
diestro_22

@frankd4 To paraphrase a line from a movie ... "keep it among yourselves, you're animals anyway, and have already lost their soul"!  But by all means do book those hotel rooms so we can have the bed tax money to keep beach clean for the civilised people".   But it's okay for the Ultra partygoers to do their exhibit their mating rituals (music, dancing, grinding, exposing their flesh) in a tourist area. 

kirkslade1
kirkslade1 topcommenter

@frankd4 @kirkslade1 @AlecTW "Don't be a hater"! That's the all encompassing response. When I see, "Don't be a hater", I feel that it is a response to let someone be lazy and show bad taste. At this stage of the game, most people like African Americans. They should. Most are great. People are upset with the ghetto black. 

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@kirkslade1 @frankd4 @moltophotos 

here in broward county the BCT (the public bus system) is chronically late and  many drivers are very unprofessional with many BLACK riders trying to make their "point" by leaving trash in the terminals and on the buses

i always took the position that someone could be POOR but that person doesn't have to be a slob - being a slob is a choice not a condition

a person need NOT have an advanced educational degree to see that when trash piles up it attracts roaches and rats and in the heat smells and becomes a mess - a mess these same riders have to come back to day after day - yet still they ADD to the trash

the BCT position seems is due to budget cuts being someones "mother" is not going to be a staffed position

so NO ONE is going to side with SLOBs either - i just don't understand WHY these BLACK people want to live like that - do you ?  and for the most part, their homes are in the same condition - so just WHAT do they hope to accomplish ?

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@AlecTW ..........."As for your point about whether black people are doing cleanup efforts or not, I wouldn't know. I along with a large majority of Haitins and Jamaicans that work on SoBe, am too busy working providing services during the day and night to know about someone else community service acts. I however know about the community service efforts we provide daily in our community and cannot understand why we would clean up a party that we didn't attend, in a neighborhood we don't live in."


SO I GUESS that leaves it to the WHITE people to clean-up ?....................again ?

thank you for proving MY POINT;

now you know how WHITE people feel when THEY have to continually clean up AFTER blacks people ! !

BLACK people on government assistance welfare section 8 housing food stamps and unemployment come to a WHITE enclave and trash it then leave for WHITE people to clean it up - right ?

BUT WHENEVER there is a hurricane or earthquake or flood in HAITI and JAMAICA or some other disaster then AMERICA is obliged to pour millions in resources to help people who only take advantage of AMERICA without giving anything back - right ?

again. THANK YOU for proving my point - i appreciate you being HONEST

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@AlecTW ....."You have yet to address my point about why when there are a sheer number of people here for any other events, the police number is greatly reduced"

i did but maybe not clearly enough

BLACK people, rightly or wrongly, are perceived as trouble and since NO self-respecting socially responsible BLACK person would attend such a mess as that, then it must be all BAD BLACKs who are only there looking for trouble (they were never INVITED and certainly not welcomed)  = period

the WINE and FOOD people and BOOK people are among the richest in the world, and have lawyers and private security, and were INVITED and WELCOMED  - so what do the police have to worry about them ?

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@AlecTW ...................no one has anything to say about the black teenager who got thrown to the ground because he looked at the police officer the wrong way.

well when anyone in MY old italian community would encounter such an event THEY would get ANOTHER BEATing when they got home.............first for being so stupid to get in an unnecessary confrontation and second for getting the family name involved in a negative light.................today BLACK kids have no family OR commnity that cares about them (throw-away kids who were only born to qualify the mother for government assistance)

bad luck being born into a circumstance such as that





kirkslade1
kirkslade1 topcommenter

@AlecTW In the past 30-40 years enormous amounts of money have made it's way into the black communities. Pro athletes, rappers, and black professionals in business have made enough money to buy lots of land at various beaches. Still, it has not happened. Why? Because they don't want the ghetto people to ruin their investment either. Bad investment.

AlecTW
AlecTW

Correct because black people have not historically had any issues with the police. We never had a problem letting them do "what they need to do" a.k.a putting our Negro selves in our places. I don't have anything to hide but after hearing constant reports of cops arresting people for whatever reason they want ,with their gang mentality, I get a little concerned. I mean no one has anything to say about the black teenager who got thrown to the ground because he looked at the police officer the wrong way. In your minds he probably deserved it somehow. This reference to Times Square is inaccurate because that is a mob of people which you cannot even move through. You seem to think I have a problem withthe police presence on the beach which is not the case. You have yet to address my point about why when there are a sheer number of people here for any other events, the police number is greatly reduced. As for your point about whether black people are doing cleanup efforts or not, I wouldn't know. I along with a large majority of Haitins and Jamaicans that work on SoBe, am too busy working providing services during the day and night to know about someone else community service acts. I however know about the community service efforts we provide daily in our community and cannot understand why we would clean up a party that we didn't attend, in a neighborhood we don't live in.

AlecTW
AlecTW

Actually, I was only referring to Miami. There are black beach communities, most famously "The Inkwell" in Martha's Vineyard. As to the reason there aren't more here or nationally perhaps you should research the sordid history, as Uncle Luke himself referenced, of black people and their permittance onto the beach.

kirkslade1
kirkslade1 topcommenter

@AlecTW Why are their no "Black" communities on the beach. Up and down the east coast you have pockets of Russians, Jews, Japanese, Koreans, Latin, gay, and so on that congregate to make those beaches known to belong to that group. The inner city ghetto folk should organize. Why are they once again the only group that hasn't? Make them accountable. Thoughts?

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

"ya'll don't know how to act".

this is ENFORCED by just looking at a BUS STATION or TERMINAL that has predominantly BLACK ridership and management and drivers - the typical Broward County Transit location is an ABSOLUTE PIG STY !!!!

and before you go on about GOOD black vs BAD black i have YET to see any GOOD black volunteering to CLEAN-UP after those BAD blacks who make the mess - i HAVE seen WHITEs and HISPANICs volunatarily clean these locations BUT NEVER ONCE seen a BLACK person

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

........."I am only discussing why you need teams of police roaming the beach at an event that doesn't even have half the amount of people it did two years ago. "

same reason times square on new years eve has an OVERWHELMING force eventhough NYC has never been attacked on that event................YOU WILL NEVER hear white people complain about a police presence because if a person has NOTHING to hide they don't look at it as an insult - BLACK people have to learn RESPECT IS EARNed (and BLACKs have a long way to go IMHO - not that it's MY call - JUST let the POLICE do what they need to do = period)

AlecTW
AlecTW

Ok I agree with your point about pooling the money and getting their own property. Honestly though, I don't think that it's going to happen or that it needs to. I have to go to SoBe during this time for work only. The past two years the amount of people coming to the event has dropped significantly and yet there are still a ridiculous number of police and barricades. The message is that "ya'll don't know how to act". A message that never gets tossed around when the other tourists are in town stumbling drunk in the street in front of my car or when the raver individuals cram onto the metromover unwashed, unkempt, and unaware. Once Again, I am not an apologist. I see what goes on in this city and I am certainly not naive enough to think we don't need police. I am only discussing why you need teams of police roaming the beach at an event that doesn't even have half the amount of people it did two years ago. Everyone that lives here knows it is slow season. So when I see one group of black people walking the streets but there are barricades up and down the entire avenue one has to wonder if their tax dollars are really being put to good use.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@AlecTW 

i'm NOT observing to be judgemental, i am only telling what i see and asking what it means

if a whole lot of BLACK people are in an area there is a statistically measurable probability of a BLACK on BLACK crime event = so it makes sense to LEO and for PUBLIC SECURITY to up the monitoring during URBAN BLACK WEEKEND in SOBE ........... AND from my view the LEOs are the experts = period

the sheer amount of NYPD in times square during new years eve is ALSO ridiculous BUT for reasons of PUBLIC SECURITY everyone expects as necessary ..............AND no you won't hear any WHITE people EVER say there are TOO MANY police here !

otherwise come down during ART BASEL and the WINE and FOOD FESTIVAL and the BOOK FAIR and you will see how nice it really is, very EXPENSIVE, but also very nice - of course BLACKs who do attend are O R E Os so you lose your street cred (if that's important to you then DON'T COME)

IF BLACKs have all this EXTRA discretionary income then certainly they could AFFORD to buy a beach property somewhere and GO THERE - the rednecks do it, the whites do it, the hispanic do it, so why can't the BLACKs do it

go look at the REDNECK YACHT CLUB on google................WHY not a BLACK YACHT CLUB for BLACK members only ?  why "waste" all that money spent in WHITE enclaves only to COMPLAIN about cops - pool the money together and buy your own property and do whatever you want to do = period

you won't find a police station within twenty miles from that REDNECK YACHT CLUB howdown and YES their will be fights and trash and typical redneck crap BUT not a single cop on the property !


frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@diestro_22 @frankd4 

i once "operated" from the clevelander (10th) to versaces (11th) and across from LUMMUS park - it went from party central at 4am to old jewish retirees enjoying a pleasant walk at 6am to top models walking their little dogs at 11am to LUNCH noon-2pm to DINNER 4 to 9pm to pre-parties at 10pm to full PARTIES midnight to 4am = and on and on that cycle for two weeks (and a lot of cuban coffee from DAVIDs sobe cafe I and II)

i also recently read MIAMI BABYLON

it always amazed me that in sobe a hobo could be a billionaire and a dapper dude could be a scammer AND i could never tell who had JUICE and who didn't = the whole place was a fantasy land in the sun with every 4 out of ten registered advertising models living with a few blocks there as well as felons and sex-offenders and millionaires ALL in a continual life of apparent leisure = i saw the appeal BUT i also saw the craziness of expensive over-priced crowded peak periods of living NO one could justify on a DAILY BASIS

as for BLACK visitors i think that party has run its course and wore out its welcome and they take offense not realizing the SOBE existance is that of constant change (i e a legitimate versace was ultimately replaced by a scammer scott rothstein whos interest now linger)

i just really don't see why a group would want to go where they feel watched and really are NOT wanted.............i don't see ASIANs insisting or HISPANICs insisting so why don't BLACKs simple "get it" and go somewhere else

diestro_22
diestro_22

@frankd4

Legitimate political governance … Not from nothing, MB has never had nothing but governance by special interest.And their interest always came first.What you are describing is “change” … Progress!And w/progress, the locals are always displaced.(No doubt Native Americans could have told ya that.)America has always been about money … Home spun myth to think otherwise.After all, it was sought out and colonised for money, new station in life, etc …. Now you may have problems w/the changing morals of society? Well, that is the human condition and no doubt Julius Caesar would have said the very same thing. But I can assure you, I know “the island” very well, and MB will never be a Palm Beach … Myriad of reasons.

I too get Dugan and his kind.  He only has eyes for "his" pure America.  So, oh yeah, I get Dugan and his kind ... Same whale same tale!!!

diestro_22
diestro_22

@maxdugan26 @diestro_22 @frankd4

No doubt those w/their slicked back and oily hair of yesteryear and foreign ways also deeply perturbed you.But as one of those of yesteryear said “I pay my taxes”.So its “your SOBE” … Like it or not, they just happen to be US citizens that pay taxes.I do believe “your SOBE” reaps profits from their stay in the magic city.What has put a burr under your saddle is quite clear, but don’t talk about “class” and “the children”.You walk down Ocean Ave and you see very scantily clad women cavorting and kanoodling at café tables, on the actual beach, etc … “Class” … “Vulgar behaviour” … Bea!! Vulgar behaviour … Ultra event has the same caliber of revelers and the heavy hand of the law is no where near as heavy.And that event is fast becoming nothing more than a hg. ticket burning man event wo/the fire.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

maxdugan26,

i do GET it and WHY i live in DAVIE - yup ground zero for REDNECKs - i can say there will never be an URBAN WEEKEND in DAVIE - no way no how

living in SOBE has it's costs and depending on finacial spending of visitors and tourists means sometimes a bad group will crowd out the better groups - that's what the history of SOBE is = FISHER and LUMMISes development overtook the origianl locals, MARIELITOs crime overtook the elderly retired jewish community, developers overtook the ARTsDECO architecture and would have demolished ALL the old buildings, GREED and BRIBERY overtook any chance at legitimate political governance, flash and plastic and kardashianism overtook any possibility of being a PALM BEACH letting all manner of miscreants and vagabonds in

this past weekend is only the latest onslaught of a hundred years history of abuse and trashing and disrespect of the locals - just read the story of JOEs STONE CRAB

maxdugan26
maxdugan26

@diestro_22 @frankd4 You are obtuse. Can't you get it, can you? Limit your vulgar behavior to the clubs and hotel rooms. Have a little class when you walk through the public streets. SOBE is our home, it's not your private gutter. If you can't respect our house then take your mating festival elsewhere.


frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

diestro_22,

i am only suggesting that BLACK revelers might receive a more accepting response IF they went to a BLACK neighborhood which might need the added economic stimulus anyway so that's a WIN WIN - no ?

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