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George Zimmerman's Trial in Trayvon Martin Killing Begins Today: Four Key Questions

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George Zimmerman
Sixteen months ago, a Miami teenager carrying a cell phone, a pack of Skittles, and a soft drink was shot to death in his father's Central Florida town by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. The case soon erupted into a referral on race -- because the victim, Trayvon Martin, was black and the shooter, George Zimmerman is white and Hispanic -- and Florida's self-defense laws.

This morning, Zimmerman's trial on second-degree murder finally kicks off in Sanford with jury selection. We've run down some key questions in the case.

1. Who yells "Help!" in the 911 call?
The biggest question in the entire trial -- an issue that the defense and prosecution will each spend weeks arguing -- is whether Zimmerman or Martin was the aggressor in the struggle that ended in gunfire. Zimmerman claims the teenager attacked him and beat his head against the ground until he had to shoot in self-defense; prosecutors say Zimmerman followed the teen and then wrestled him before killing him.

The strongest piece of evidence for either side could be a 911 call made while the men were struggling. In the background, someone yells "Help!" or "Help me!" a total of 14 times. Was it Martin or Zimmerman? Experts have already weighed in for both sides, and the judge has yet to rule whether she'll allow voice experts to testify on the matter during the case.



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Id10T
Id10T

5) will there be Riots and Looting if Zimmerman walks?



Exiliado
Exiliado topcommenter

It is interesting how some people give try to mold and/or change the facts to fit their opinion. It is interesting how they ignore some facts while stretching others out into fiction.

My favorite:

At 1:27 into the recording of the 911 all:

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Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, ok?


Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?


Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way; just let me know if this guy does anything else.

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So, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman TWO TIMES to report if "the guy" did anything else.

Then they continue talking. At 2:07 Zimmerman goes, "Shit! He's running." The conversation goes for a few more seconds, and at 2:18 the sound of wind starts. This is apparently when Zimmerman got out and started following Trayvon.   ("Just let me know if this guy does anything else." Remember?)

Now comes the most famous part:

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman:  Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

(2:28) Zimmerman:  OK

There's some more wind, until 2:38.  That's a grand total of 20 seconds of George Zimmerman out of the car following TM.

But the most interesting part is that the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that"  AFTER  Zimmerman exited his vehicle. The other interesting point is that Zimmerman answered "OK" and ten seconds later the sound of wind stopped. 

I just can't understand how this story, which can be easily verified by listening to the recording of the 911 call, turned into that other narrative that keeps being repeated and repeated and repeated. I am referring to that fiction story where George Zimmerman viciously hunts down Trayvon Martin AFTER being instructed to stay in his car.

Gee! People have a thing for drama.

Tami Powellcarter
Tami Powellcarter

i think he was wrong, he should not have killed him .if he was in danger her could have just wounded him and called for help.

Ru Ru H
Ru Ru H

Yeah, how dare he defend himself against a thug!

drakemallard
drakemallard topcommenter



"these assholes, they always get away.

The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay




“According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun

Logic dictates that the person WITHOUT the gun is more likely the one who would be calling for help” Why would the armed person be screaming and yelling "I'm begging you"? Sounds more like something an unarmed person would do when a gun is pointed at them!!

“George Zimmerman Deserves Jail Time For Lying About His Finances

jailhouse tapes of Zimmerman talking to his wife, Shelly, about the amount in his online defense fund. Ever since the judge ordered Zimmerman back to jail, donations to Zimmerman’s online defense fund have begun to significantly increase from the original $1,000 a day the fund was receiving.”





Claudio
Claudio

Guilty...dude should have been sitting on his couch minding his own business...

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

the KEY question really is this: when trayvon had distance between HIMSELF and zimmerman WHY DIDN'T TRAYVON JUST KEEP RUNNING AWAY and put even MORE distance between them ?

zimmerman claims he did NOT get out of the truck to PURSUE stating instead that he was LOOKING FOR a house number to IDENTIFY his position to the police dispatcher who requested this information AND BY  THIS TIME zimmerman had lost track of where trayvon actually was (and here is where trayvon should have kept running away even farther)

IF INSTEAD trayvon back-tracked and continues the confrontation AND maybe even escalated it to a physical confrontation the next question becomes WHY ? WHY did trayvon RETURN and locate zimmerman and get close to him ? i doubt zimmerman was in any physical condition to chase after the younger and faster trayvon IF trayvon decided to run away

discretion is the better part of valor and learn to live to fight another day are just a few olde sayings that apply here - lessons that trayvon apparently never learned

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

the gangs are already been "shopping"

we haven't had a hurricane for a while so there has been a lot of pent-up DEMAND for new TVs and audio equipment and spinning wheel-rims

LOOTing will commence with a verdict - any verdict - guilty (in celebration) or not-guilty (in anger)

Exiliado
Exiliado topcommenter

@Tami Powellcarter 

You have no clue, young lady.

There's no "wound him and call for help." When you shoot, it's because there's a fear of imminent death or serious injury. You don't shoot to "wound." You shoot to STOP the aggression.

Id10T
Id10T

@drakemallard   you are entitled to your opinion, not your own facts.

the lying about the money was just wrong.  but it was his wife that lied under oath.  - no relevance to the murder charge.  (George never lied under oath).

and the story was as the struggle evolved, Trayvon saw the gun under Georges shirt and they both went for it.  George won that round, and the fight was over.

There were no marks on Georges knuckles or hands, only on Trayvon (from delivering a beating).  

-We know how the media reported there were no injuries to George, but later we found out differently.  

We also know the local TV interviewed the kid that saw the fight and called it in.   why that was suppressed is a good question.  (the interview was the day after the fight/shooting).  but never really reported or aired on TV.  -why do you think?  Ratings?

Id10T
Id10T

@frankd4 there was also 30 minuntes after he bought his blunt and the skittles till he was seen by GZ.  what was he doing for 30 minutes?  

look at the 711 video, and you'll see TM approach 3 guys, then one of them buys 3 blunts. 

hmmm...  


and the watermellon drink and skittles are 2 parts of a 3 part drink called Lean... 





drakemallard
drakemallard topcommenter

@Exiliado

 
Zimmerman says Martin had been on top of him, slamming his head against the ground and smothering his mouth and nose with his hand and arm when he grabbed his gun from a holster on his waist before Martin could get it. He shot the teenager once in the chest.Trayvon Martin's DNA Not Found On George Zimmerman's Gun George Zimmerman's was the only DNA that could be identified on the grip of the gun used to fatally shoot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

drakemallard
drakemallard topcommenter

@Id10T@drakemallard

In hushed conversations from a Seminole County, Fla., jail, the man charged with second-degree murder in the killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin was instructing his wife how to transfer huge amounts of money between bank accounts and allegedly out of the gaze of local authorities.

The name “Peter Pan,” in this case, appears to have been code for the company PayPal. Zimmerman was using the online banking service to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars from supporters who believed he was either a hero of gun rights or a man being railroaded by a corrupt justice system.

Clumsy and obvious, the code was just one of several tactics that verged on the absurd that the Zimmermans used to try to keep their fundraising secret from authorities. The tactics were brought to light on Monday when prosecutors released audio recordings of six jailhouse phone calls between Zimmerman and his wife.

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@Id10T @frankd4 ........."the watermellon drink and skittles are 2 parts of a 3 part drink called Lean"

yes i have heard that but how many combinations of ingredients can be used - point is the kid wasn't the most outstanding pillar of society but still didn't deserve to be shot and certainly not killed by a wananbe LEO

Trayvon i am afraid simply was not smart enough to KEEP RUNNING AWAY  once he had distance between himself and zimmerman

it may all be as basic as that

frankd4
frankd4 topcommenter

@Id10T @frankd4 


well my guess is zimmerman was instructed by his counsel to GAIN as much weight as was possible TO DRAMATIZE THE POTENTIAL REALITY (to be VISUALLY obvious) that Trayvon could have out-run zimmerman AT ANY TIME and therefore Trayvon could have at ANY TIME simply ended the event by running away (OR in the alternative IF Trayvon had ANY DISTANCE between himself and zimmerman Trayvon could have AT ANY TIME increased that distance or at least maintained that distance)

ALL of which begs the question: WHY DID TRAYVON come back to zimmerman ? 

leaves wide open the motive of TRAYVON which could have been to escalate a confrontation by COMING BACK instead of running away

why else would Trayvon come back ?

none of this means the kid should have been shot and certainly not killed BUT it does indicate the kid didn't use his best judgement and being stupid may be the cause of his return (and cause of the escalation) - bad decisions lead to bad outcomes and this might have been just another bad decision by this kid - no one has yet accused this kid as being smart

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