Jameis Winston Watch: FSU, 1. Rape, 0. Arrest Him Already. UPDATED

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Time to arrest Jameis Winston.

Despite the FSU football star and Heisman Trophy favorite's claim that he had consensual sex with an unnamed girl, Tallahassee police and prosecutors have dawdled long enough.

As you probably know, FSU's football team climbed to number one in the nation this morning and will play Duke in the conference championship -- then likely continue on to the BCS championship game. And as you also are probably aware, Tallahassee cops have been sitting on a rape complaint against Winston for a full year, since December 2012.

But they found traces of Winston's DNA in the girl's underwear. And the nation has had about enough of Florida's macho football baloney -- courtesy of Richie Incognito and the Miami Dolphins, as well as this sad college campus scenario.

UPDATE: Tallahassee prosecutors announced, after publication of this blog post,, that they had insufficient evidence to charge Winston or prove that the sex was anything but consensual..

I understand that brutality is part of football. I played the game as a kid. But a message needs to be sent -- because so far in both the case of the Dolphins and of Jameis Winston, the message to the public has been "Hold on. This is OK."

I read a terrifying story by Marci, a member of the FSU chapter of the sorority Delta Zeta, where the alleged rape victim lived. The sorority house has received bomb threats since the allegation was made.

And Marci, a woman who was raped 14 years ago by a frat guy in Tallahassee, says cops and others discouraged her complaint.

I told them what happened, and they put me in the back of a squad car and had me show them the apartment complex where I'd been raped. Back at the station, the detective I spoke to said, "Are you sure you want to pursue this? It's been three months, so it's just he-said/she-said at this point. That doesn't usually go well."

As in the rest of America, the crime rate has been falling in Tallahassee in recent years, according to city-data.com, but the city is still rated high. And in 2011, the Florida Independent reported that FSU had a particular problem with rape -- reporting three times the number than that of the University of Florida and other areas schools. Police were offering "self-defense classes" as a way to respond. How in hell does that rate as public policy?

Take a look at this video, telling the terrifying story of a woman who was raped on the fourth floor of the FSU library by a man who was eventually accused of raping other women and killing his girlfriend. "Not enough people report this to the police," she says.

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The smoking gun in Jameis Winston's defense that no one is talking about is that there was no DNA from Jameis on the alleged victim's shorts. The testimony of the witness was that Jameis undressed her, raped her, then dressed her after the rape….yet the only DNA that conclusively matched Jameis was on her panties. Sounds like consensual sex to me……( she undressed herself then he had sex with her just like he and the 2 witnesses Christopher Casher and Ronald Darby said. All you have to do is read the report.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

Chuck, so the question is now that all the facts came out if you will publish a response.....stating FACTS.....or correct the article accordingly....like a real journalist.   

ppappas
ppappas

Gotta love the Internet where even people with damaged frontal lobes are given a voice. My twelve year old niece thought Chuck Strouse column was the stupidest thing she ever read. There have always been militant imbeciles like Strouse in the world, only now they can spread their imbecility.  

ppappas
ppappas

Chuck Strouse thinks Jameis Winston should have been arrested and charged regardless of evidence because its important to send message. His message, apparently, is this:


"If this is how we treat innocent men, imagine how we will treat men who REALLY rape women."


Sacrificial lamb in the 21st century. I have naval lint smarter than this maroon.

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

haha do you guys realize how you haven't kittykatsmeow since the verdict not to take him to trial..... I think that's funny

what I think happened was that since the other dna was her so called boyfriends, he ended up finding out she slept with him got mad called her out on it, and decided to protect herself by calling rape. Winston being an athlete was just unlucky to be the guy to get caught up in it. and for that reason when they contacted the boyfriend he said he didn’t want anything to do with it and that’s another reason why she didn’t mention who the other dna belonged to. I don’t think race has anything to do with it, and im black my wife is white so I tend not to use race as a factor

adstev
adstev

Strouse. You do not control the first thought that enters your head, but u do the second. Also it is beyter that people think you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and relieve all doubt. Words you should live by.

adstev
adstev

And the rape kit suggested no forced assault.

adstev
adstev

Oh, i forgot. She states she had a head injury, yet there was no proof of that.

achoate49
achoate49

We should arrest Germans for the Holocaust. We should hold southerners responsible for slavery. We should arrest the all kids with autism after the Sandy Hook killings. This logic is so stupid it makes me wonder how stupid you would have to be to write it.

ppappas
ppappas

100 Chimpanzees pounding away on typewrites for twenty years couldn't cobble together something as stupid as what Strouse has written.

adstev
adstev

Look into some of this guys other articles and you will be astonished. He is concerned with the mugshot websites to protect people that have been adjudicated guilty, but wants Winston arrested for something he may not have done. He didn't write that article, but is quoted in it. He also would not turn over information in the biogenesis Mlb scandal to protect players cheating citing journalistic integrity. What is the bone he has to pick with Winston?

adstev
adstev

I feel really bad for this writer. He has no logical reasoning ability. This article is analagous to me saying the Miami New Times has a problem with plagiarism and publishing libelous stories therefore he should be condemned for it.

phoenixmediacad
phoenixmediacad

How did this bag of Dicks get a job writing on sports?!

ppappas
ppappas

Strouse must have been a Salem Witch Trial Judge in a former life. The girls SAY they are witches therefore they must be witches.

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

Has anyone took the sides of the athletes. Not all alegations are true. Just because she cried wolf doesnt mean they were there. It happens all the time a girl gets drunk. Have sex, forgets about it. The fellas call her a slut then she yells rape. Booo hooo shoudnt put yourself in the position in the first place.

ppappas
ppappas

I could eat two cans of Alphabet Soup and randomly defecate a more reasoned argument than Strouse's nonsense. Truly stunning that anyone with a fully intact frontal cortex could type, edit and publish such militant idiocy. Truly, truly stunning. I fear for the future of my country when I consider God is just.

ppappas
ppappas

Strouse thinks this uber-feminist claptrap will win him favor with the gals.

ppappas
ppappas

This moron Strouse actually wants Winston to be arrested and charged with rape because other women have been raped before and treated badly by the system. I have naval lint smarter than this.

ppappas
ppappas

Gotta love the Internet, where even militant morons have a voice. No man should be arrested for rape based solely on the word of a woman. Far too many false rape allegations. And the suggestion that we should charge and arrest Winston to "send a message" to would be rapists is absurd. How about we arrest and charge you for aggravated rape to send a message? My 4 year old niece could see the injustice in that. I tremble for the future of my country.

palmer.monroe
palmer.monroe

Wow, what absolute prattle.  You ought to have to pass some kind of test before they let you have a keyboard.

The question is not how many rapes the average rapist commits, or what the FSU/Tallahassee crime rate is, or even whether Jameis Winston had intercourse with his accuser.

The questions are:

1) Is there sufficient evidence to charge Jameis Winston with a crime?  If not, then doubt is on his side, and God alone gets to be his judge.

2) If there is sufficient evidence to charge him, is it substantial enough to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?  From where I stand right now, the internet vapor trail left by the rumored accuser would make me throw the accusation out, were I a juror. 

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

Why dont all you Winston supporters look up the statistics on the NCAVA website. Make sure you read the last stat. 'A college rapist will rape 7 times before getting caught". There is esp. interesting stats on athletes, in there also. 

Ivyleaguejock- I also suggest you google the stats on rape. That might educate you on the subject. You can start with Wik. They might be off some but the general info is there as with other reputable websites. 


ppappas
ppappas

@elijahbanks09 Yes, kittykatsmeow thinks Winston should have been arrested and charged regardless of the evidence because its important to send a message. Message: "If this is how we treat innocent men, imagine how we will treat men who really did it."

adstev
adstev

Still want to arrest him? Not overly intoxicated, cannot remember several things, no issues with the police investigation, several people in the room, one of which was her boyfriend. I only can hope you have to deal wirh the issues of facibg a serious false accusation. It is really the only way i think you recieve what you deserve for this article.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock Ist off, I cant even get on that website, it was having some issues I guess. My PROBLEM is I dont believe all the internet GOSSIP about all the things that she did or did not do, if she knew him or not. THEY COME FROM GOSSIP CHAT ROOMS. There was a pic floating around with Winston and a blonde in a niteclub and EVERYONE said it was her and it WAS NOT. So forgive me if all that Im choosing to BELIEVE is what her lawyer has said so far and the SA.

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

When I say anyone I mean the writers. Especially this faggot. I bet he trying get in some panties for this posting

chuck.strouse
chuck.strouse moderator editor

@ppappas $50 to send me a video of you defecating this! Miracle of miracles!

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@ppappas Yes, Yes morons like you. You have more issues than all of us put together.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@palmer.monroe  When you start of INSULTING OTHER POSTERS, TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER, people stop reading like me....

Make a point without insulting. 

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow I still dont see what statistics have to do with if he is a rapist or not......and I do not need to google it.....Im an educated (VERY EDUCATED) upstanding citizen....I preach upright living to my kids....not that that matters....staying informed with statistics doesnt change the fact that people do bad things....and that statistics dont change how many people are robbed, killed, raped on campuses across this country....you still havent acknowledged that...ultimately statistics dont change anything apart from making smart people feel like that know what is happening on the ground....it doesn protect my daughter...it doesnt protect my son.....see I have both and understand the impact from BOTH perspectives....WHAT IF in that 2-3% or whatever number your called out...the man is innocent?.....but I see what your position is....have a good one.


Lastly....any researcher that uses Wikipedia as the basis of an argument.....is laughable....wikipedia just so I can inform you as much as you have informed is maintained by people much like you and the writer of this blog....ANYONE can contribute to an article....

Knowing that ONE woman is raped period should be enough to spur change....keep your stats...

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow We are not questioning if rape is an epidemic......Look at whats happening in India for example.....the point is what does that have to do with this case from a judgement perspective.....make an example of the man because of an epidemic regardless of his guilt?


The woman said she didnt know him....when she did....she said she had never had sex with him prior when she did.....all of this was reported by the witnesses....

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow My friend, I was not questioning your numbers or any numbers.....its not my place to question, and based on principle and the subject in general.  However when you start ranking one schools issues above another without facts that I question.   http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/09/14/most-dangerous-college-campuses-ranked.html

While this article is older, notice where Harvard is ranked number 2.

Still what does this have to do with Jameis Winston or his accuser Erica Kinsman?  Nothing!!!  People want him to be guilty so he is incriminated, this case will not be a criminal case it will be a civil case.  The question I have is what happens to rape victims, if this is a fraudulent case.  

Lastly why does it seem her testimony has changed from the inception of the case...

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

And another thing ms kitty. Your name on its own sounds like you the type to get someone caught up in this mess. You calling everyone else biased but it seems like your just ignoring everything to disprove winston. If he is guilty then he is guilty but until shut the fu** up because 98% of the people on this page is on the same page except you. What you got against the man. And besides statistics dont account for everyone unless it says 100%

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

For one your stupid. Two this not completely about being fsu/winston fans. What its about is all the aleged rape victims yelling rape. How many times ms smartass have you been to a party and seen women who get to drunk. Be on every tom dick ans harry the have sex wih one or maybe two of them. Sober up realize whats been said about her being a slut and then call rape. I dont care what the report about her saying she wasnt intoxicated. But the simple fact is that if she had her female roomate there just sit there and witness the act in progress and doesnt do anything is bull. If it did happen and she watched she should be charged as well. So you get your facts right before storming on everyone else. And besides if you dont know for sure dont be quick to point a figure

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow You frighten me. College statistics are irrelevant to the question of whether this man raped that woman. We don't arrest and prosecute people to send messages. We do it because we believe they are guilty. Please tell me you're eleven years old.

bwarhop
bwarhop

Kittykatsmeow you really should look further down at what I wrote about rape. U appear very angry. Have u been raped? I'm glad u r standing up for women but possibly sending a guy to jail for 20 years that might not be guilty would be wrong too so I'm glad they are taking their time to be sure. Plus the time doesn't always fit the crime. 20+ years is way too long for a non violent rape between 1 woman & 1 man. I would rather see him or any man go free first, & believe me I know about true rape. Judgement day will come soon enough for all of us but especially to the true guilty & evil people. Believe me when u do wrong sooner or later it catches up with you so enjoy that fact:-)

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

Yeah I thought she was all talk anyway. Just a random chick tryna get a word out. Hey man, you cant make her see the truth, we as humans have a predetermined mind about things and sometimes we just are ignorant to the truth. Either way as a fsu fan im glad this is over, now we get too roll to north carolina and show duke that they not as good as people making them seem and just crush they spirits like we have in the past 18 meetings

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

Well what you know about that. No charges will be filed. So you and thay faggot column writer can suck a di** of any race just dont call rape lol

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow @IvyleagueJock So, because a lawyer reports it....that makes it truth....is that the same as chat room gossip.  As I said and numerous others stated you seem to have tried and convicted the person so for you its an open and shut case.  You listed statistics, and even those point to a certain degree of error.....and that as long as people are people there will be the chance that what she stated is just as false as what he stated.....ultimately we will never know as WE...where not there.....allow the courts to do what they must.....

And also...exactly what has the state attorney stated in reference to guilt.....just curious....

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@chuck.strouse @ppappas Although I pay to see that too and put him on my payroll I see the point.   Generally the object of a blog is to spark debate.....some writers choose to remain unbiased and let the facts speak for themselves.....I wont make this about his lack of skill....because this is a small sampling....however....I will still ask that if your using facts as a basis for your conjecture....please point me in the direction of said facts....IJS....


ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow @ppappas I weep for the future of my country. Public schools are responsible for militant imbeciles like Strouse.  Let's arrest and charge person A because person B got away with rape. Brilliant people.


palmer.monroe
palmer.monroe

@KittyKatsMeow @palmer.monroe 

I didn't insult any posters - except the reckless author of the original post. The pen is mightier than the sword. When you advocate arresting someone with no evidence other than statistics or potentially-consensual DNA in some chick's drawers that brags about how she chases down atheletes, then it's pretty irresponsible.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock You're an idiot. Your rant just proves my point that men are very biased on this case and STATISTICALLY she's telling the truth. But since there is a small percent that she's not telling the truth, you take that AND RUN WITH IT. I dont know if he's guilty or not. Only two people know that. BUT what I do know is how everything has come about and Winston has not said a thing. He has LOOKED bad as this thing has progressed. THATS where I get MY Judgement and Opinion, because IM ALLOWED. 


KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock Tell me why NO ONE can provide legitimate  proof of all the ACCUSATIONS against her????? Statements made by 'friends' on the internet ARE NOT CREDIBLE. They are GOSSIP. 

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@elijahbanks09 Yes 98% of 'people' on this page are men UNEDUCATED, with what is going on. You're sexist and one day, my friend, that attitude will catch up to you. It so easy to cuss and threaten me behind a computer WHICH IS WHAT COWARDS DO.....Stay classy.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@elijahbanks09 You must have raped someone because only a rapist would think an intoxicated women is easy prey. 

Lets me tell you the LAW. Having sex with an intoxicated woman, IS AGAINST THE LAW. People that are drunk, LEGALLY can not consent to sex, therefore if you engage in sex, CONSENSUAL OR NOT, that is RAPE, my friend.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@bwarhop Sorry IMO you are wrong. Way too many rapist keep repeating their crime until caught. 93-97% reported rape victims are telling the TRUTH. This is an outrage and is even worse in poorer countries. 90% of rapes in other countries go UNREPORTED. It an epidemic that NEEDS ATTENTION.

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

@ivyleaguejock fsu:2 rape:0. I think @kittykatsmeow stop writing becuase I called her butt out for her name sounding like she one of the girls that would do something like call rape to get attention, mean seriously, as men we know her user name isnt talking about felines. And as far as mister chuck like I said before I hope he wrote this column to get some pu**y because if he didnt id start to question his man hood. That being said I hands down do not condone rape but damn as a male we know how females can get sometimes and for you to just call him guilty makes me wonder. All the signs were there that she was guilty. After reading the documents I was like damn she made this story up just to fit jamies winston profile.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@elijahbanks09  @ppappas I definitely think @KittyKatsMeow wanted to make an example out of Jameis.   All we where saying was let the facts come out, you cant cast judgement one way or the other as we who are so distant have no real insight into what happened.   I listened to both press conferences and read the affidavits....and based on what I know of FSU, and the Delta Zeta sorority.....the young lady and I use that term carefully was in it to win it.....


None of us was in that room, but based on her words, and the toxicology reports taken HOURS from the reported assault, the also recorded the SECOND DNA of her now defunct relationship.....she was not raped....no charges where levied against her because Jameis wants this to go away.....and the simple fact that she didnt want to pursue the case to begin with.   Im loving the silence from both @chuck.strouse and @KittyKatsMeow  though....



JustinCredible
JustinCredible

@KittyKatsMeow @IvyleagueJock Winston wasn't a star quarterback at the time the accusation was made. He didn't win the job until like the last week of the summer. But, that wouldn't fit your narrative, would it?

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock I dont know if he's guilty or not. But because of how the sexual assault case was 'handled' back then, and the flood of 'victim blaming' that has gone on, SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT. If he was not a star QB, I guarantee you this case would have been handled ALOT differently. Not to mention people would NOT be defending the accused. It really is a shamed.

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow @ppappas Irrelevant. Strouse says we should arrest and charge Winston cause other women were raped and mistreated by the system. The lobotomized Kennedy daughter would have known better than to utter such inanities.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@ppappas  There's evidence and accusations. FAR CRY from just telling your friends that you were raped. 

You so miss the point.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@palmer.monroe Yes, Yes, those are your MADE-UP 'facts'. 

I just cant comprehend, in today's world. WHY YOU STILL BELIEVE INTERNET GOSSIP OVER AN ATTORNEY'S STATEMENT. 

Why???? Because YOU are biased. You believe he's innocent because thats your opinion. It works both ways Mister.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow @IvyleagueJock She said one eyewitness tried to save her....3 men in the room.... one of them her boy friend....who happens to have sex with her again that night....and also left a DNA sample....ignorance is bliss....the sad thing is that women are getting raped every single day.....and what do you think your rant here....or this case did for them?   As i said it is possible the woman lied....only 2-10 percent of sexual assault is false..but it is possible for anyone....your father, brother, son....to fall into that 2-10 percent...that being said let the law do what it must BEFORE you cast your lot....see the affidavits that are now public for your self....and all this time you insult many here including me and i never bit.....


enjoy your day dear!!!!

JustinCredible
JustinCredible

@IvyleagueJock @KittyKatsMeow Honestly, I wouldn't engage with her anymore. Between talking at length about how the internet rumours about the accuser are just gossip (legitimate point, undermined by KittyKats' citing wikipedia as a legitimate source) to her refusal to acknowledge that, actually, there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, let alone to convict, this individual seems just completely committed to a narrative that no longer has a basis in reality.

Kind of like the writer of this blog post. Who, honestly, shouldn't be allowed to write for any news agency, if this is what he comes up with.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow @IvyleagueJock My sexist life.......LMAO....yep you are insane....thanks for documenting it on a public blog....also....i hope you saw the news and what your beloved state attorney said....let me guess he is now sexist too.....bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...




KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock Yes and all you got to go on is'he's innocent'.  I've have pointed out websites, statistics, MAJOR errors in handling this case. The victim's action right after the assault, DNA match, the victim being bullied into not cooperating, Winston' 'silence', his attny's twist on every FACT that comes out, on and on...... and I'm the crazy one..........yeah right. Go back to your sexist life.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow Its people like you that I fear in this country.  I never once questioned the validity of her claim.   I did however state that using the same statistics you spit out, there is a chance it is false.   YOUR numbers stated that....all I did was agree.   Thats MY opinion....last I heard convictions cannot be made based on statistics....I cant believe you said statistically she is telling the truth..I guess thats what the states attorney is waiting for to charge him......laughable....

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@ppappas ALONG WITH EVIDENCE....but of course you left that out..... you also stay classy narcissist. 

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow Statistically telling the truth? Orwell is turning over in his grave. This puddycat is psychotic.

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@elijahbanks09  You're sexist. Thats  whats wrong with you. You feel threatened that a woman would challenge your comments. I have not set anyone up, Im commenting on the the subject with opinions and FACTS which apparently thats foreign to you. 

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@elijahbanks09 Im not right in the head because YOU say so?...SMH. Its more like you're feel threatened by NOT backing down with your absurd comment to me. Your sexist and hate when a woman confronts you and calls you out on you crap GOSSIP. You are a big part of the problem, your uneducated.

FYI, it does not matter if BOTH are intoxicated, if SHE is intoxicated and you take advantage of her vulnerability, she CAN accuse you of rape,LEGALLY.

Maybe you want to think about getting women drunk next time. The law is there for a reason.

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

Um I dont recall threatening you.and I dont know how you got anything threatening out of what I said. And that small statement convince me even more that you the type to set someone up and turn things are to benefit yourself. Which is what you been doing to all other comments on this page. You aint right in the head. And like I say your name in it self nobody going to take what you say serious. Kitty kats meow. Please tell me you were talking about real cats so I can call you a lier

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@ppappas In WHAT world is her identity protected??? Its ALL over the internet thanks to ignorant and stupid people like you, trying to SMEAR her WITHOUT CREDIBILITY. NO WONDER SHE STOPPED COOPERATING.

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow @ppappas Victim identity is protected, accused's identity is not. He is tarnished by mere accusation. Very unfair. And she is only a victim if she's telling the truth. Never, for the love of God, serve on a jury.

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow @ppappas Quote from KittyKats: "You must have raped someone because only a rapist would think an intoxicated women is easy prey." Nice human being, huh?

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@IvyleagueJock Yes, I am a little angry. Because ever since this mess has come about I've read NOTHING but hateful, crude, threatening,gossiping comments about the victim and her reputation. Which is just reprehensible to me. It seem I've 'battled' for her side against stupid, uneducated people that can not see past football glasses. And as a women its totally disturbing how some people would re-assault (figuratively) the victim again because of  all the LIES on the internet. 

I dont know if he's guilty or not. But I do know the law and stats and human rights. And as soon as she was being dragged thru the mud,WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL EVIDENCE, I cant sit by and let people attack someone without defense.

IvyleagueJock
IvyleagueJock

@KittyKatsMeow @elijahbanks09 You seem to have taken a firm stance and are a little angry.....no one is passing judgement on your thoughts....I can say without a shadow of a doubt 99% of the people looking at this probably think rape is a crime....and that rapists should be prosecuted.....what I am asking you...is if a man woman or child is called a rapist....because dna is found....does that make them a rapist......simple question.....

KittyKatsMeow
KittyKatsMeow

@elijahbanks09  No, sorry you're wrong. Does not matter that both are intoxicated, if you have sex with someone drunk, legally you can be charged with rape. Laws are there for protection.

Maybe if that was WELL KNOWN, stupid people would not be putting themselves in a potential bad situation. 

Maybe the 'men' on this website would want to remember this LITTLE tidbit. 

elijahbanks09
elijahbanks09

Haha no I havent I think people who rape someone should be put in jail. But when both parties are drunk, go for it. But like you say in this case she wasnt drunk nor were drugs in her system. So there are some loose ends in her story no matter what you and her say. She not telling the complete truth

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow No wonder you use a pseudonym. I wouldn't own that seditious garbage either.

ppappas
ppappas

@KittyKatsMeow @ppappas Stop being a man-hater and I will forgive you for your trespasses. We considered arrested and charge men innocent until proven guilty. Winston charged w/ nothing. Stop the hate.

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